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I HOPE SC COMES OUT WITH ONE OF THESE THIS COMING YEAR SINCE THERE WAS NONE LAST YEAR.
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One will be coming soon they was debating on a Mamablush/HB I believe in the next month or so or maybe it was AMU/COmedy.
but anyways they are gonna release one or the other which i imagine the other will follow the next month or so in releases....So prolly by march or april at the latest.IMO
Another shameless plug to ask BC to please consider The Dan Band-Total Eclipse of the heart
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Rodney Carrington has a new one called "Show Them To Me". This is a great song and perfect for us kj's(atleast us males lol). The song is on My Space.
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I believe that the reason we got the other Blush one when we did was that there were actually about 4 Silly Sing A Long songs on it instead of Blush songs due to licensing or such if I remember correctly. If SC wanted to wait to get the other blush songs it could of been released later. So maybe a Silly Songs might include a few blush songs and it might make it easier, then again, it might not, who knows.
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We would consider doing another Mama Blush, but the problem is that many of these songs are parodies of original songs and that makes all the licensing very complicated.
Plus, I have doubts about the narrow market segment of people who have ever even heard these songs, much less know and like them. So many of them are specific to Howard Stern, or the Bob & Tom show, or Rodney Carrington/Red Peters/etc. And those are not your broad-based, mainstream tastes.
The last Mama Blush disc did okay, nothing spectacular. (Forget about approaching 8117, still the king daddy of SC CDG).
But it would be worthwhile to see the possibilities.
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to be honest I haven't heard most of this stuff outside of actual recording artists (Weird Al, Tenacious D, etc)
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I totally agree, BC... one thing about this disc, is I recognize almost all those songs. "Telephone Man" is the only one that doesn't come immediately to mind.
These were mostly mainstream songs. At one time or another, you could hear them ALL on the radio. They had a broad appeal.
The others were targetted to, or appeared to be at any rate, specific audiences.
Ahh, the good ol' days!
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also note the last mama blush was also a combination of silly songs as well which in all honesty not the best disc that it could've been but I do give you credit that you admit right away that you was in a hurry to make the disc
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It's very unlikely that the fact that all 15 songs weren't dirty songs had much to do with the sales number. 11 songs, 15 songs - c'mon; it's the quality of the songs, period.
If they were all great songs that singers knew and wanted to sing, the disc would have sold better, regardless of whether or not they were dirty or silly or both.
8117 has sold more than any other disc in the history of Sound Choice - all those sales weren't to KJs looking for an 'all dirty songs' disc. It sold because of the quality of the songs, and, at that time, the lack of availability of those songs elsewhere.
8700 didn't sell that great, either, and those were some of the filthiest songs ever put on CDG.
It's the overall quality, not the totality and absolutism of the theme. That only matters to collectors, and there aren't enough of them for that to be a factor in this business.
The fact is there just aren't that many great songs left in this genre that have anything close to big appeal and 'know it' factor. Ergo, why we haven't been in any rush to put another one out.
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Odd, I must have some twisted regulars... 8700 had come out every night at one of our venues,(Fri&Sat) now its at least every other week. Every one of the 15 tracks has been sung (Sandler, Leary & Bloodhound are the most popular) there aren't many discs that I can say that about
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BC when you compare titles on these disc of course 8117 Baby got back why dont we get drunk and screw Strokin my dingaling Funky cold medina Rodeo song I touch myself
8700 Ode to my car at a medium pace Ahole 2- 2 live crew songs leter to my pen*s Fire water burn
you are trying to compare apples and oranges as you are comparing the most popular disc in SC history though they have the same label "Mama Blush" there is no comparison as the 8117 is one of the first discs that any karaoke company will buy when they start as it has alot of the most requested songs in karaoke history.
Also you must weigh in the the piracy factor also which is alot worse than back when 8117 came out.
So no disrespect BC but I feel that you trying to tell us something that you are overlooking or trying to hide the whole truth.
As yes Quality does matter BUT YES so does song selection(and your competitors are starting to figure that out as well). When it comes to specialty disks like Mama Blush...Movie Madness...R&B.....All of these that have failed for you is quite simple You are not putting enough quality stuff out for everyone to buy the discs. So which leads to people to
A) Custom B) Piracy
Alot of people have been ignored on here for quite a while on great songs that still have yet to be released though everyone at SC has a personal ego to go with something different which they think will work but be honest it hasnt, Why dont you try listening to the people a little more who listens to the everyday people like KJs who promote sells more than you could ever imagine.
Sure I know alot of artists isnt allowing anymore but there are still alot of Artists who are.
specially if you look at Mama blush number 3 how many people do you think bought that disc for anything besides FHG? about 10% prolly
Which personally without the FHG on there I wouldn't have bought the 3 discs I would have got a couple custom tracks.
But like I said no disrespect but you need better song selection for any specialty disc if you wanna try to compare them to 8117.
As for you rushing to get another one out...Well you havent been in a rush to release anything new these past few months so why would anyone think youd be in a rush to release a specialty disc you cant get a strong enough track list to have strong sales without SC being worried? So maybe its not only piracy SC should worry about anymore!!
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meh...Gem wants one, and I want a hip hop disk. I just named 2 good reasons to not throw my hot air at this project...
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dont mistake me Im not attacking BC...I cant wait for the next CSTHH and Mama Blush but I hope the tracks on them are improved as there ARE enough to fill enough tracks to make everyone happy.
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Yeah, you're right. I should also ease up on drunk posting, lol. I need a breathalyzer for my power strip. Too high, my computer won't go on.
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Stop begging for songs, Soundchoice will not release any more songs til they get computer licensing, they only release songs that are already pre-released. I remember when I bought the foundation series, and soundchoice stated you will only find these songs in the foundation set, and nowhere else. And now, you can buy the disc's one at a time, suprise, suprise, suprise. I bought the whole set for a select list of songs, and not the 60% of the rest of the crap on these disc's, maybe I should be reinbursed 60% of the purchase price, since soundchoice lied to me when I bought this set. I think it was $899 or so when I bought it, soundchoice owes me around $600 for lying to me
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Actually some of the Foundation Singles are WAY different. I learned this the hard way trying to replace my 7546...(I fixed that)
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The singles are different, but that does not remedy the fact that I (we) were lied to. As I stated before: Soundchoice stated-You must buy the whole "set" since these songs will not be released in single disc form. They are selling Foundation single disc's on their main page now, under new releases. Since in an earlier post somewhere in this board, BC stated: We make more money from disc packs than single disc's, Why would they break up a pack, and sell it as single disc's ???
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“Lied to”?! A policy and product that was started in 1995, and you're really seriously, rationally saying in a public forum that Sound Choice "lied" because songs have changed in the past 10+ years due to licensing restrictions that we have no control over? And because we adapted to other market demands, and released many of those Foundation songs on other discs? Because it isn’t the same as it was when originally released over 10 years ago?
That’s taking things a bit over the top, into the non-reality dimension. I don’t think changing a product over the course of 10+ years is violating the trust between producer and customer – but that’s just my own opinion..
Are you also complaining to Capitol Records that the original Meet The Beatles - make that the "British" edition" - is no longer available on vinyl?
Or calling the Yankees because they're going to build and move to a new Yankee Stadium in 2009 and the "House That Ruth Built" will be imploded and paved over for a parking lot?
Or calling Mars and bitching because they have colored M&Ms, too, and not just the original product?
We designed and released a product in 1995. Over the years, the product changed, as circumstances and the market changed. Life goes on - change or die, is basically an unchallenged precept of evolution. I can’t imagine too many situations for a business that has to adapt to a market that evolves, saying “here is our product, it will never change”.
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As far as the discs we release, and the songs we produce, there are three things that trump customer requests – every time.
- Licensing If we can't get a response, much less a license approval, we're not going to put our company in jeopardy by releasing a song because it’s popular. If we don't get to a huge hit song My Chemical Romance, yes we suffer, but not to the degree we would by losing a lawsuit for infringement. If we don’t get to some song that a small segment of a segmented radio audience has heard and that two or a few people have requested, that's too bad, but we’ll live.
- Sales If a certain genre of themed disc doesn’t sell well enough to justify the investment, it would just be stupid to keep making the same types of discs. As a DJ, I'm sure you learn very quickly which songs fill up the dance floor and which songs don't. Only an idiot keeps playing the songs that keep everyone in their seats looking for something else to do.
- Costs I forgot, Kevin, that you have an intimate knowledge of how much we sell, and how much it costs to make our products, thus giving you keen insight into how much money we make or lose with a given product. Your opinions in this post come with a lot of unsupported and unwarranted assumptions on your part.
People will do what they need to do to satisfy their customers and gain new customers – KJs, other manufacturers, Sound Choice, retailers. The 'KJ' market has been shrinking for the past few years for many reasons - all of which boil down to money spent versus money earned. And it will continue to shrink in the next few years. Piracy – in the KJ market - is a fact of life for us, and our sales are probably a minimum of 25%-33% lower due to piracy. Factor in heavy competition during those same years that piracy started killing us, and the bottom line is less again.
We're determined to stick with the KJ market as long as we can find a way to make more money than we spend.- but that means less products released, less money invested – not the opposite, as you stated, Kevin.
(Your statement that releasing less discs lead to piracy is 100% wrong. - “…You are not putting enough quality stuff out for everyone to buy the discs. So which leads to people to A) Custom B) Piracy …)
When piracy became a huge problem in 2000-02, we were releasing as many or more disc than we ever had before.
Releasing more discs and songs into the piracte culture is a recipe for business suicide - we'll spend tens of thousands of dollars more to produce more music, and have it be devalued in the blink of an eye by pirates the week of release.
Take a look around – less songs and products being released is the same story with some of the other manufacturers, too, both here and abroad.
As I've said before, we learned a few years ago that Sound Choice cannot survive strictly in the KJ market, so we have built other markets to sustain us, and we use some of those markets as financial underpinning to allow us to stay in the KJ market – subsidizing the KJ market costs (song production) by cross-collateralizing the expenses against profits in other markets.
As long as we can make that concept work, we'll continue to release new and catalog products in the KJ market. (BTW: You can’t sell a ‘Mama” karaoke disc to Wal-Mart, or MTV, or Electronic Arts, or Playstation. Probably not on iTunes, either.)
So, it’s a balancing act for us, and there is a lot of pressure to choose only the songs that will be worthwhile in the bigger, broader markets outside of KJland (Of course, if I could do that all the time, I’d be typing this from my hillside estate overlooking Waimea Bay.)
The KJ market will never be the same as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's – even without piracy. But we’ll continue to do our best where we can, and we expect to release more discs with new material than we have in the past six months. But we won’t be releasing a disc or song that we don’t believe has some sales potential, or fills a sales need for one of our markets.
(On the other hand, in the future, there will probably be a program that can truly eliminate vocals. Or the artists will be releasing the multitrack raw recorded tracks to their songs and allowing people to make their own versions. So, it will be all user generated, do any song you want…)
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quote:Originally posted by MISTER WONDERFUL: I think it was $899 or so when I bought it, soundchoice owes me around $600 for lying to me
That's too funny! Calling them liars for something they stated which was true at the time. But they have never stated that those songs would NEVER be released on another series. Their Foundation singles started releasing 10 years after that initial release. The Foundation was originally created to allow a new KJ to start a 'core' set - a "Foundation" if you will of the most requested songs in karaoke up to that point in time. Sure there were a handful of songs that weren't released anywhere else & they were questioned on it in the mid 90's. They never said these wouldn't be released in any other series, they basically said if it was warranted they would, otherwise those particular songs would probably never see anything other than the Foundation set. Then they came out with the Bricks to add to the Foundation. Then they came out with the Foundation 2 allowing those to catch up their selection with more current popular requested songs up to 2000. Next came the Mortar which allowed you to personally pick & choose 8 Spotlight discs of your choice at a substantially lower price per disc as opposed to what each per disc was when it came out, to fill in the Bricks to the Foundation.
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Sublime has been hugely popular at my shows lately. Of the four that I have, What I Got is the one that doesn't get song often. Date Rape and Santeria are tied at the moment for being song the most.
Also in for consideration by Sublime could be:
Smoke Two Joints Let's Go Get Stoned
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One major difference between the two versions of "Smoke Two Joints" was that Sublime used the melodies (and thus the licensing) for around a dozen other songs within their version. (I want to say Beatles songs, but my recollection might be confusing that song with the Stars On 45 Beatles medley.)
Regardless of who it was, the licensing made the song prohibitively expensive, and we won't be doing that unless some client/customer has to have it and they will pay the freight.
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quote:Originally posted by BC/Studio Manager: One major difference between the two versions of "Smoke Two Joints" was that Sublime used the melodies (and thus the licensing) for around a dozen other songs within their version. (I want to say Beatles songs, but my recollection might be confusing that song with the Stars On 45 Beatles medley.)
What I Got sounds surprisingly similar to Lady Madonna in many places.
Same with Green Day Brain Stew - speed up the opening guitar riffs & You have 25 or 6 to 4 from Chicago - not identically but the same note & downward progression.
quote:Originally posted by BC/Studio Manager: One major difference between the two versions of "Smoke Two Joints" was that Sublime used the melodies (and thus the licensing) for around a dozen other songs within their version. (I want to say Beatles songs, but my recollection might be confusing that song with the Stars On 45 Beatles medley.)
What I Got sounds surprisingly similar to Lady Madonna in many places.
Same with Green Day Brain Stew - speed up the opening guitar riffs & You have 25 or 6 to 4 from Chicago - not identically but the same note & downward progression.
The same can be said for Pachabel's Cannon in D, those notes can be heard in many songs.
And if any Mickey Avalon (Jane Fonda, Friends and Lovers, Waiting to Die, Mr. Right) can work its way into the next Mama?
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That brings up a good question why the heck is Pachabel's Cannon in D on Karaoke when there are no words? I mean, your telling me there is a profit to be made on that one, but you cant go out on a limb with a silly song that actually has words.
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If you look at the product that song was placed on, you will see that it was a WEDDING disc - 2181. As well, we had many requests to add that song to our available library. Along with the 4 other instrumentals on that disc.
Yeah, big mistake on our part. As many of these current hits, 70's & 80's, Headbangers, CSTHH, Movie Madness, Mama, an other themed discs fall by the wayside from a lack/decline of sales and publishing problems, little old 2181 keeps chugging along with over 30 sales per month, almost 6000 sales total.
That would make this disc one of the most profitable discs in our history.
Maybe because many folks can't afford to hire live musicians and use it instead. (I guess they didn't own an original recording of that music.)
Whatever... it was customer service, and lots easier than tracking down a dozen publishers for some song that's going to be hot for a month, then fade away. Not to mention the Public Domain aspect and economics.
A no-brainer - a customer request that was criminally easy to fulfill at very low cost.
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You guys could do what Disney does, pull the discs after a certain time & re-release after a year or two - theirs is every 10-20 years, but MAY work with karaoke discs, who knows?
quote:Originally posted by Showtimecalls: you mean like the karaoke song Tequilla...Whats the point?
I have a guy that comes up & does Alley Cat - no words. He knows it's his turn & plays with the song on stage. He plays it to where it looks like he's going to sing at a particular spot, then looks over at the tv for the words, sees none, closes his mouth with a puzzled look, then keeps doing it through the entire song. Scratching his head at points with confusion on his face. Everyone jokes that it's the best song he does! Have another gal that does the Chicken Dance song - it's her turn, so she comes up & does the dance. Often times getting people up on the floor to join in. Tequila actually has 1 word a few times in the song & have had requests for it. DK had it out at one time but haven't been able to locate it.
quote:Originally posted by BC/Studio Manager: If you look at the product that song was placed on, you will see that it was a WEDDING disc - 2181. As well, we had many requests to add that song to our available library. Along with the 4 other instrumentals on that disc.
Yeah, big mistake on our part. As many of these current hits, 70's & 80's, Headbangers, CSTHH, Movie Madness, Mama, an other themed discs fall by the wayside from a lack/decline of sales and publishing problems, little old 2181 keeps chugging along with over 30 sales per month, almost 6000 sales total.
That would make this disc one of the most profitable discs in our history.
A no-brainer - a customer request that was criminally easy to fulfill at very low cost.
Here's another thought, since many marriages end in divorce, a track full of DIVORCE songs, call it "Songs to make your Mama leave your Papa"
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quote:Originally posted by atxklown: Here's another thought, since many marriages end in divorce, a track full of DIVORCE songs, call it "Songs to make your Mama leave your Papa"
It's been done. Look at Spotlight 8183 "Bubba & Mama Divorce Songs"
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