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I really don't see why. There are plenty of popular songs out there that haven't been done. Off the top of my head..
MISS MURDER - A.F.I. ANIMAL I HAVE BECOME - Three Days Grace THE KILL (BURY ME) - 30 Seconds To Mars THROUGH GLASS - Stone Sour THE DIARY OF JANE - Breaking Benjamin FAR AWAY - Nickelback LONDON BRIDGE - Fergie CRAZY - Gnarls Barkley PROMISCUOUS - Nelly Furtado/Timbaland DEJA VU - Beyonce/Jay-Z AIN'T NO OTHER MAN - Christina Aguilera GIVE IT UP TO ME - Sean Paul/Keyshia Cole STARS ARE BLIND - Paris Hilton SNAP YO FINGERS - Lil' Jon/E-40/Sean Paul A PUBLIC AFFAIR - Jessica Simpson
This is ignoring Dani California (which I assume is a licensing issue since it hasn't been put out yet), the new Audioslave song (licensing), and Crazy Bitch (again, licensing)...
So what gives?
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I think it's been covered in an earlier posting by SC or at least alluded to that most of the current "Pop" music being put out simply isn't worth the money and effort,(ie. getting all the licensing)when put up against the potential to re-coup the production costs. I know from my standpoint I used to try and get every new "radio popular" song that came along only to find out a couple of weeks later it was all but forgotten by not only the main stream radio but the karaoke singers also. If you multiply this by what SC is up against it's not surprising that making a "Popular" is not as big a priority anymore.
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quote:This is ignoring Dani California (which I assume is a licensing issue since it hasn't been put out yet)...
It is available, but not from SC. I know because I heard a guy sing it not too long ago! ... Anyway, I'm not really up on all the current songs, so that was the first time I'd heard it, and I loved it immediately.
NOTE: I know I'm talking about non-SC stuff on this post, so if you need to delete it, BC, it's ok with me. I understand.
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quote:Originally posted by flameslayer: I think it's been covered in an earlier posting by SC or at least alluded to that most of the current "Pop" music being put out simply isn't worth the money and effort,(ie. getting all the licensing)when put up against the potential to re-coup the production costs. I know from my standpoint I used to try and get every new "radio popular" song that came along only to find out a couple of weeks later it was all but forgotten by not only the main stream radio but the karaoke singers also. If you multiply this by what SC is up against it's not surprising that making a "Popular" is not as big a priority anymore.
Many of the songs I've listed have been on the charts for months, and yes some are newer but the "songs are only popular for a couple weeks" theory is a bit shaky in my opinion.
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Some tracks I've gotten from other companies, but I'd like to get Soundchoices version, and if possible add in the talking track on Danko Jones' "First Date"
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It may seem shaky to you Tony, but if I was in SC's shoes, and having seen the sales numbers in the past and the sky-rocketing over-all production costs, it would be reason enough for me.
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I would like to know who decides which songs are picked BC himself or is there a SC panel
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um... anyone notice the i-Tunes selection for karaoke. Rockers will %^&* themselves. I don't mean to advertise them at all. I'm not sure who put these out, but lots of stuff that are karaoke no-nos (Alice In Chains for one). And since there's no published lyrics on i-Tunes, they're just songs without words. Sound Choice might want to look into this. Is it like releasing the freebie disc a few years ago that had the tracks but no lyrics? Could SC do the same thing?
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Willy, one of us doesn’t understand: it isn’t somebody taking our content and putting them their without our consent - Sound Choice contracted with iTunes to place those tracks there for sale, just as we have on Google, MusicNet and other digital retailers, and just as we did years ago with Wal-Mart, the Orchard, InGrooves, and others. The Orchard, Google, MusicNet, InGrooves and some of the others digital retailers sell full karaoke versions (with a limited library available). Wal-Mart, iTunes and others sell MUSIC-ONLY tracks, no on-screen lyrics, which doesn’t require a synch license permission.
These tracks on all these digital retailers are for home-personal use only, not intended for KJ use or any commercial environment use.
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As far as the Pop and Country hits discs, the next ones should release in the middle of September, just as we have done many times this year. Regardless of anyone’s opinion here about the popularity of these discs, and the validity of doing more current/new songs versus older songs, the SALES FACTs are that the new discs don’t sell enough to justify doing them more often that we release them – once every 4-6 weeks. That’s really the only opinion that counts when it comes to spending money, time, and resources on which songs we do.
Between the short life-span of these songs, as opposed to songs from prior decades that have a proven shelf-life, and the rampant piracy that devalues our costs and profits, all production has slowed down significantly. Plus, it’s much more profitable for us to release discs from our catalog, than it is to spend new money on producing new songs that have no proven shelf-life (in fact, we know that probably 90% of them will be forgotten in 90 days or less), not to mention that we are already a ‘me-too’ product in the marketplace since our competitors have likely beaten us to market. That is the reason we have consolidated much of our catalog by discontinuing slow-sellers (that aren’t worth re-licensing), and creating the Spotlight Select series, which should ramp up more in 2007.
So, for those of you who live and die with new/current songs, this is the way it is, and the way it is likely to be.
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As far as picking the songs, I pick most of them, or supervise picking most of them. There are suggestions from people in the Production end of things (including ownershp, but they mostly stay busy with strategic and new market things), and, of course... the folks who request songs end up picking many of them – that would be the lot of you guys, .
Ultimately, Licensing picks the songs. If there is a licensing problem, no matter how many people request it or how big a hit it is, we don’t do it. No single song is worth being sued or ruining a relationship with a publisher that we have to license hundreds of songs from.
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Okay, here's what I don't REALLY understand... are the ones I saw on i-Tunes SoundChoice productions? If you search for Alice In Chains (artist) and karaoke (album title), there's a line of these. Songs include Rooster, God Am, Junkhead, etc....
I was under the impression another company (Charly studios... or whoever) put these out. Unless Charly=Charlotte, NC... Hmmm.... That would make sense.
I haven't bought any, fearing production quality. But if I know it's SC, then I'm on it.
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Between the short life-span of these songs, as opposed to songs from prior decades that have a proven shelf-life, and the rampant piracy that devalues our costs and profits, all production has slowed down significantly. Plus, it’s much more profitable for us to release discs from our catalog, than it is to spend new money on producing new songs that have no proven shelf-life (in fact, we know that probably 90% of them will be forgotten in 90 days or less), not to mention that we are already a ‘me-too’ product in the marketplace since our competitors have likely beaten us to market. That is the reason we have consolidated much of our catalog by discontinuing slow-sellers (that aren’t worth re-licensing), and creating the Spotlight Select series, which should ramp up more in 2007.
So, for those of you who live and die with new/current songs, this is the way it is, and the way it is likely to be.
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As far as picking the songs, I pick most of them, or supervise picking most of them. There are suggestions from people in the Production end of things (including ownershp, but they mostly stay busy with strategic and new market things), and, of course... the folks who request songs end up picking many of them – that would be the lot of you guys, .
Ultimately, Licensing picks the songs. If there is a licensing problem, no matter how many people request it or how big a hit it is, we don’t do it. No single song is worth being sued or ruining a relationship with a publisher that we have to license hundreds of songs from.
All of your select series I already got from somewhere else so it doesn't DO ME NO good to buy them understand if you choose not to put out the alot of the current hits for what ever reason...but honestly its what the singers want...Im not being rude only honest..SC used to put out the NEW sturff before anyone else...now it seems they are a month or two behind the others and this is sad because I do believe SC has the best sound compare to the other guys so to keep up with the demand in my area I have to go else where for monthly hits although I end up buying SC versions when they come out just so I can HAVE A BETTER VERSION
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As I'm sure others here can inform you, SC was almost never first with new/current hits.
We expect every KJ who is in business to do what is best for them. Hopefully, our products will be the choice, but, we harbor no illusion that people won't do what is necessary for them to succeed in business. Just as we are doing.
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BTW: I edited your post for the sake of reducing the size of it. There just isn't any need to repeat such a long post from me, when it's two posts above yours - it's just a space waster, so I edited to create a space-saver.
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quote:Originally posted by GeminimALE: but honestly its what the singers want
But is it really worth it to pay for licensing, the cost of production, mass producing, packaging & distributing (plus several other variables i'm sure) for "what the singers want" for a few weeks only to never be sung again after it's lost it's luster? There is no longevity in todays music, for whatever reason, it isn't the same as it was 20-30-40 years ago when a band came out with an album that will still be remembered & loved 20-40 years later. Most of todays bands put out music & they are loved (flavor of the week) for maybe a few months or more & then forgotten - sad to say, but true.
Just like Evanescence - I had everything available as soon as it came out (at the time 11 songs), man it was THE HOT TICKET, heard it every night for about 5-6 months. That disc hasn't even been pulled out of my rack in almost a year now. Honestly their new song I heard sounds like a continuation of what they already did nothing really original about it.
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These were my points EXACTLY in an earlier post. (Thanks BC for confirming what I already knew.)
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I go to a couple of venues where most of what is sung are older songs. As for this singer, he'd be happy with more blues and 60's-80's.
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I understand about everything, it's just disappointing.
I guess I have a very "been there, sung that" sort of attitude, so the more new stuff I have the better.
I guess quality can't be rushed, eh?
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i love to sing a mix of different things...at a lot of venues i go to i still hear a lot of evanescence...personally i am kind of tired of hearing it...cause it's always the same people singing it...kind of like how i stopped how often i would sing a few of my songs...i'm always looking to do new material...i guess we all can't be loyal customers to our favorite bands...i think we're too finicky in todays society...and take everything forgranted...aw well...
i wouls still love to see more new stuff...but hey...if anything...could u put out more HB/AMU's???
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quote:Originally posted by BC/Studio Manager: As I'm sure others here can inform you, SC was almost never first with new/current hits.
We expect every KJ who is in business to do what is best for them. Hopefully, our products will be the choice, but, we harbor no illusion that people won't do what is necessary for them to succeed in business. Just as we are doing.
Yea SC has been always about 2-3 months behind the other discs, but the SC discs have less filler. Though not all new songs are forgotten after 90-120 days, there are a select few that have some staying power, though they really are a few. That has been the part of the reason why I haven't bothered adding too many new tunes, over the last year. I just can't justify the expense of adding music that sits in the book. 90% of my shows come from either the Foundation/Bricks, or my Headbanger Discs. I mean if I just went out with my Sound Choice Discs, I'd make it through all my shows with a minimal problem. The rest of the discs are just filler.
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Almost never first is right; but there have been a couple good ones that SC put out first or was the only company to put them out. Can't recall which ones, but Revolution by Priest, Miss You by Blink 182; Remedy by Seether.
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It seems to me that the songs my singers request most are the ones that have been out of air-play for a few years. Yeah, there's a small percentage who want current ("current" as in "on-the-air today") stuff, but, by and large most ask for songs that are a generation old (a generation being 20 years - Lonman has always said people will sing what their parents sang - how true!) and big-hit songs that have been off the air 5 or 10 years.
Most of my acquisitions for karaoke hosting are 70's/80's stuff, especially the songs you don't hear on the radio much anymore - 'cause that's what most people (about 65%) want to sing.
Yeah, I buy stuff from other manus because it is business sense, but I always look for and buy the best produced rendition of a song as well (I'll tell my singers which manu has the best recording) and, yeah, its often SC releasing it quite a while after everybody else put out their "be the first" renditions. I guess the "fine wine..." cliche applies (don't tell me you youngsters never heard that commercial ).
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Well not so much what their parents sang, but the kids will generally start out singing what they listened to growing up with what their parents listened to.
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I'm also not too happy with the new Evan... song; although I must admit I've been off thier bandwagon after I saw them live and they pumped in the keyboards.
Although, I am waiting to see what the Killers or Jet come up with. I believe that they might be able to pull off something different.
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I'm not a fan of the new Killers song at all
the new Jet song is ok, but it's not up to par with the singles from Get Born
and thank god I grew up listening to things like Pantera and Metallica
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i grew up with metallica, ozzy, def leppard, led zeppelin, dokken, motley crue, poison, skid row and Queensr˙che!!...just to name a few...lol...which reminds me...i should sing more poison...
i haven't heard any other new song other than evanescence...aw well...
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As KJs, we've all been in the position where we have gone out to pick up a CD for one specific singer who's asked for it, only to have them sing it once or twice and never again and no one else ever wanted to sing it.
So for the money we shell out for unwanted discs, is multiplied when dealing with paying for licencing on songs that are here today, gone tomorrow.
However, some companies are mix-and-matching, putting new stuff in with other proven material, so those who will buy the discs get the best of both worlds.
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