BTW Dog. When all your regulars have grown tired of the same old song and dance every night of the week who’s going to take their place? I’ll take any answers if you please on the other thread. And L’Op I would love to let you hear “The Rose” 6000 times. Bet you’d be begging for some Nirvana or maybe even some Limp Bizkit.

The Rose 6000 times may induce boredom, but hearing Wimp Bizkit 6000 times would induce a headache, and most likely vomiting.

Saying that I think I'll sing Re-Arranged this week.

I went and looked at both Eminem's web site and Limpbiskit.com. Warning - Limpbiskit.com is a disaster area - window after blooming window and no sign of Limp Bizkit. I think someone got the site just to see how bloody irritating they could be - one more notch against Limp Bizkit.

On the other hand Eminem is really really cute. After going there I have a even higher regard for him. Not that I am/was a big Eminem fan - but the guy's yummy!

Thanks for the entertainment all. And L’Op I’ll think of you every time I hear someone murder “The Rose”, that'll be "our" special song .

Tony

I'm sure there's a venue somewhere for KJ's who allow absolutely anything to be played, but as a bouncer in a karaoke bar, I find that the people who sings the aggressive and angry songs are the same morons whom I usually end up throwing out for fighting.

Therefore, some songs will be removed from the books. Period.

I applaud Sound Choice for marking the disks and the songs on the label so that each host can make their own decision concerning these songs and the places they work.

Some of our shows cater to a younger audience. These are the songs they are growing up with and want to sing, and they get to sing them. At others with an older clientele, who are offended by them, we use our judgement. Believe it or not, several of the hosts that work for us have asked us to totally remove certain songs from availablity - and they like the songs! I think I removed three. All the others were marked appropriately as explicit or suggestive or X rated lyrics and a disclaimer was put into the books giving the host the final say as to whether these songs will be performed.

I really don't think those songs are appropriate for private Sweet 16 parties and the like. In the end, the customer has the final say.

When we were DJing, it was not unusual for the sponsors to request certain songs not to be played at junior high and high school dances (Mony, Mony comes to mind - not for the lyrics but for what people yell during the song). I never used "Strokin'" at wedding receptions due to the suggestive lyrics that I considered unnecessary in a mixed age crowd. The customer has the right to make this request, as does any bar or lounge that hires us to work for them. They pay the bill.

Money talks and the customer is always right - to quote a few cliques.

And a side note, Eminem just got nailed for carrying a concealed weapon, and is facing charges of brandishing a weapon. Do you think his fans are any smarter than him? (well, maybe some, but certainly not all)

Slime begets slime. Who do you think is more likely to create a problem in a venue? A 50 year old man who sings Frank Sinatra every night. . . or a 24 year old who sings Limp Bizkit, Korn, or Emimem?

You'd be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle.

Although I gotta say - it is fun to watch!

Puppetmaster has been going to my shows since the day I introduced him to karaoke. He loves the new music and I have recently been stocking up on alot of it, not just because of puppetmaster but because I have alot of other singers who love to sing it. I did not seem to lose anyone in the club becuase of the music. And I do monitor the reaction of the crowd when songs are sung (all types of songs).

To Puppetmaster: Yes I've thought about these people being tomorrows regulars,and I HATE censorship (even when I'm the one who is offended). After 10+ years in this business I've seen lots of changes.
And this too will pass.
I didn't mention though, that at the show I mentioned where the mgr is killing certain songs the singers are absolutely HORRIBLE!!!
They sing like little quiet school girls except when "the bad words" show up then all they do is scream (thank God for compressors)
That's not why he's banning these songs though...According to him (and this could open another can of worms)the Va.ABC=(alcohol bev control board) actually has a rule that requires the club to be be in control of everything that goes on in the club including:rude vulgar behavior.
That could be his excuse but I think I saw something on the abc web site that said something to that effect.I'll check it out.

Others may think I'm stuck in past decades,(I don't)but I have mellowed a little.

Here's what does bother me about this stuff.
People sometimes seem to have NO conscience what so ever. Here's what I mean. If I want to sing a song with F in it I' ll look around and make a judgement call.If there's one person in the room who I THINK will be offended I sing something else.
Yes, I have some people who ask if I think it's OK to do a certain song, and I'll give them an honest opinion.But these jerks who think I OWE them the RIGHT to sing, say Aenema by Tool just so they can be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible have no respect for humanity. (albeit bar humanity)

I am considering the same thing Egkse is with my next book printing.
I really don't want to though.

About the language thing: you are absolutely right about the customers who leave.Yes some of them cuss like sailors but they are using everyday language (no that doesn't make it right or justify it in anyway) and yes I can cuss with the best of 'em but there is just something inhumane about SOME songs like aenema.
When you're having a conversation with someone they usually get a feel for your comfort level of word usage.
When someone is on stage spewing it in your face thats quite different.

Censorship sucks!!! But it doesn't offend me as much as SOME of this "dark" stuff.And the fact that I just admitted that scares me.

And now I'm gonna go read that other thread.

Rock On!!!

To Alice's Alter Ego....Mellowwwwwwww dude! L'Op is one of those guys you love to hate. If he weren’t spreading his rapier wit on these pages, I wouldn't bother to check 'em out. I actually find him quite entertaining on this and other forums. Give him some time, He’ll grow on ya.

To Cheapskore……Got anything new and really angry for me to sing next time I’m out? I promise I won't start any fights or anything!

And lastly Leigh……Want to let the rest of us in on the alias?

Now play nice. Just because we have opposing views doesn’t mean we can’t be civil towards each other. As a matter of fact Cheapskore and I disagree all the time and still manage to be friends.

I'm a "retired" kj. As I posted somewhere here, I made it plain in my song books what songs I personally didn't want to hear ever again.

I'm 42 years old. My musical tastes have ranged in different stages of my life from harmony groups like the early Beatles, Beach Boys & The Association to Alice Cooper, AC/DC and some Metallica. My father hated my music, and I was under the impression that since rock & roll would be around forever, I wouldn't ever be in his shoes. Ha.

There's a lot of music out there that I like. I can tolerate the pretty boy singers. I can tolerate some rap, as long as it's in a light and/or meaningful vein (i.e. Coolio, Will Smith). I liked a lot of the 90's grunge stuff. A lot of it sounds the same to me. Very little musical innovation, IMHO.

My very serious question, and one I've talked about with me new 16-year-old stepson, is "what is the attraction?" What is appealing to kids today when a guy like Eminem touts wife beating, or a rap band touts killing cops? What is the attraction to Adam Sandler singing songs filled with swear words ? (What is appealing about Adam Sandler in the first place? - but I digress). Please don't tell me it's "the way things are out there." I lived through Viet Nam. I lived through riots at my siblings' college when they called home in fear of their lives.

I would agree that kids today have to learn about sex and violence earlier than I do. Kudos to MTV, and Jerry Springer and Rikki Lake and COPS and all the other commercial broadcasters (who are all about my age or older) who put this sensationalized crap on TV.

Times change. What we define as "civilization" evolves. I'm not in favor of censorship. Mr. M. has a right to be the angry little boy spewing whatever it is he spews. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean he should have to stop. I can always choose not to listen to it, or leave a karaoke venue when a singer gets up to do his stuff.

It's all a matter of perspective.

I may not think that something is dirty or bad, but you might and you might offend me conversely with something that I may feel is sexist-whatever. There will always be some song or artist that makes your skin crawl. If the bulk of your business is offended, by all means, remove it for business's sake. I could keep some "offensive" things at my venue because we have a crowd that's 80% under 30. If you have an older, conservative crowd- they don't want to here the same stuff my crowd DEMANDS.

Do what gains you the most respect at YOUR venue and keeps your patrons and employers happy. If Eminem is not what they want to hear-don't play it. I don't want to hear it, but, if it makes them happy... I'll just tell myself that I could be listening to MUZAK in an office doing inventory of the supply closet. I'll put up with "The Real Slim Shady" if it means that my crowd is happy. I'll use the disc as a frizbee if they're not.

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I listen to it because I want to stay on top of current rock music. Also by listening to it my kids don’t think it is anything to get excited about, after all if “Dad” listens to it then it must be “Uncool”! In effect I can control what my kids listen to by letting them know that I listen to the same thing their friends do. It is not taboo therefore not worth their time or trouble.

As for what makes it good? What makes ANY music good? It is only music. It does not drive rational people to act out in a violent manner. Instead it is a catalyst for those with antisocial behaviors and pre-existing tendencies towards violent actions. I personally believe that Art imitates life, at least in the sane and rational world (Once I visit that place I’ll let you all know for sure!).

BTW don’t believe that Coolio is all that enlightening. He may just be able to say things in a way that makes it sound a little better.

And I'd like to add... as for gangbanging songs, check out the lyrics of the ever popular classic, "Mack the Knife", how's that for violence. It just seems that as our manners lax, we have just begun speaking/writing with much more raw lyrics, but the message is the same "on the sidewalk Sunday mornin' lies a body oozin' life, someone's sneakin' 'round the corner, could that someone be Mack the Knife?" ..."Oh the cement's just for weight dear"

And how about "Stagger Lee"?

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Originally posted by Leigh Balton:
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Real. That's a laugh. You know you've reached a pretty pathetic point when you have to make up some stupid alias on a bulletin board just so someone will back up your opinions.

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Since I'm new to the family, my stepson thinks it's cool that I listen to modern music. He even asks me for advice when listening to vintage rock.

Sarah Mac, I'm sure you're right when you say that it's the way things are said rather than the concept or thought of the lyrics. There's lots of very old blues music that has a lot of pretty blatant lyrics having to do with wife beating, now that I think of it.