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Wow, what a debate...I'm sorry I missed it!
I use a CAVS machine, and it's fantastic. I am also very careful what I load into it!!! I have a nice Sound Choice collection that I still play from Factory Original disc. ( you can't question the quality! ) and it's nice to be able to play patrons discs too. The same with Stellar properties and many others. My hopes are that the KIAA will eventually have one acceptable audit for all it's member companies...then I'll load everything onto the CAVS and leave the discs home.
For those of you that question the playing of a patron's Factory Original disc...
Load it, and let them press play! YOU Didn't Play It!!! LOL
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Mace wait until you use a computer system with the right program and you will be saying "Man what did I waste my money on this CAVs machine for!"
-------------------- Cheerleader for the efforts of Sound Choice Chartbuster and Stellar. Posts: 162 | From: Virginia | Registered: Nov 2010
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I purchased it, because the freaking thing is a tank!
Really, I like the fact that it sits safely in my rack instead of flat on a table top. It's now out of the line of fire from the drunks that seem to be able to spill a drink ANYWHERE, I've had it happen!
Please remember that I'm one of the old-timers that ran a show from disc, and I still do for certain Manu's products. I don't need the bells and whistles because I've never used them anyway. I keep the rotation without the need for assistance. (...and I NEVER play favorites! ) Having run shows for as many years as I have, in the "old-school way", the ease of the CAVS unit is a blessing. With the right drive, I can load from any format that I choose, and that can be rough for a laptop to do.
I am thinking about re-blanking my unit and loading the Gem Series, and the digital collections from other Manus...they're nice collections that allow me to do what I need to, and add-on as new stuff when comes out. Yes, it's a pricey expense, but as you know..."it's the price of doing business", if you want to do it right!
Oh crap... here he goes again!!!
It is a fact that the Media Shift process is a precarious thing at best. You are never truly "legal". Even after a successful audit, you are only given a "covenant not to sue" by the Manu...which does not give you "permission" to do the shift. The Original Copyright Holders still have the power of "All Rights Reserved" and the Manus can't speak for them. SO... the only way to be truly "Legal" seems to be the "purchase", or more accurately, "License" the new Digital Packages that are designed for use by the Professional working KJ. Only in this way, are you as "legal" as you can possibly be. This way, you are using the product as it was originally designed, for the purpose that it was originally designed.
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Did CAVS ever fix their swipe/timing issues? Every CAVS machine I ever saw had a slight lag in their swipes just enough to throw a song off, and with the way the newer Chartbuster discs are already off on their timing swipes, the extra lag in the CAVS would push it even further out making the songs totally unsingable. I have to advance the swipe timing on most of the newer CB discs to +.5 to get them to sync up properly.
Beside the point that Lonnie just made.... I won't get into the legal issues as they have all been pretty well covered and you are correct, it is still an open ended question as to what the copyright holders may or may not do at some point in the distant future.
As far as I know (because I really haven't tried very many different formats) most of the programs available today (again at least the ones I have tried) with the proper codec pack will play any format any other program is able to play I know this for a fact when it comes to Karma. As for the idiot with the drink I know what you mean I lost a laptop to just that situation (but laptops are cheap and readily available). However that doesn't perclude setting up a system with a one or two rack space computer along with a silicone keyboard that issue is pretty much covered.
Back to what Lonnie brought up can you adjust the swipe timing with the cavs player? With Karma and other programs like it you can do that as well as adjust the tempo, fade timing and key from song to song.
As far as old School you don't get anymore "old school" than Lonnie or I both of us started off with Lasers and tapes. I have been computer based for less than 5 years.
-------------------- Cheerleader for the efforts of Sound Choice Chartbuster and Stellar. Posts: 162 | From: Virginia | Registered: Nov 2010
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HA! Yeah tapes were a joy! One player to cue with headphones, the other to play. Then the nice big binder of printed lyric sheets. This was also a time where more people actually took the time to learn songs by memory and not rely on the lyrics. I knew one club up here that used their 8 track karaoke system until 91 - but they were running karaoke back in the late 70's, one of the original karaoke clubs up here.
We didn't actually start until late 85 and that was with the first installment of Pioneer laser disc (The Pioneer/Coke promotional karaoke tour) Started with the first ten disc a whopping 280 songs, after the promotional tour in 87 they gave us the option of buying the systems (Pioneer karaoke mixeramp, two mics, two speakers,two Pioneer laser disc players and by this time 30 laser disc), but we added the tapes to the system for more songs, shortly afterwards DK and SC CDGs came out then the rest became history.
Looking back on it now I think that Pioneer did that karaoke promotion to try and push the laser karaoke market simply to try and get a vialble market built up for laser disc movies trying to gain some of the market from the Beta and VHS tape systems, I guess it didn't work so well and with the advent of the CDG along with DK and Sound Choice coming out with their karaoke offerings Pioneer decided they couldn't compete and folded that part of their operation.
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I think Pioneer was doing it the other way around - trying to build their karaoke market on the strength at the time of the laserdisc market. Karaoke was such a niche at the time, and I don't think they could have built up the laserdisc movie market based on that. Those Pioneer laserkaraoke players of the late 80's/early 90's were extremely expensive compared to a regular laserdisc player, and I don't think there was much of a home market for them. Not to mention how expensive those karaoke lasers were.
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Actually there is still a huge market for the players with the asian home karaoke crowd.
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