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Just as a preface to this post, I don’t intend to turn this into a Sound Choice-bashing thread. I value SC’s products far higher than any other karaoke manufacturer’s products. I give them a lot of praise, as do most of you. However, all praise and no criticism can lead to a lesser product.
Also, I know BC has stated before that he realizes that many of their tracks don’t turn out “perfect.” Creating music is such a thing that exact replication, even if done by the original artist, is near impossible.
With that said, I’d like to hear your thoughts on which songs CS have produced that were, in your opinion, simply not that great. I think I’m more interested in tracks which as a whole, were not that great, not just one little part of a song.
Mysterious Ways – U2: The guitar riff throughout the song just does not even come close to the “bite” that U2’s version has. So much so that I actually switched to Legend’s version of the song when I wanted to perform it. Unfortunately, their version also has the same problem. SC’s version is such that, while most people would still recognize the song when it starts, it’s so far off from the original that I think some people may raise a few eyebrows.
Bittersweet Symphony – The Verve: SC’s version just lacks the rich musical sounds that the original has. It feels empty and uninspired. Plus SC’s version fades into the beginning of the song, which is weird for two reasons. One, the original does not fade in. Two, I’ve always felt that SC tried to avoid fades (both in and out) whenever possible.
She Don’t Use Jelly – The Flaming Lips: The opening guitar riff before the lyrics start is almost unrecognizable to the original. I know the original very well, and when I bought SC’s version and listened to it, I didn’t know what the song was until I took the CD out and looked at the song title. In addition, the third verse doesn't include the "callback" background vocals as the original does.
Two Princes – The Spin Doctors/Baby Got Back – Sir Mix-A-Lot: Both of these tracks have the same problem: the lyric-wipe does not follow how the song is supposed to be sung. The wipe just shoots across the line with no time/speed difference to help you get it right.
Push It – Garbage: Probably a difficult track to faithfully reproduce, because the original has so much going on in it, so I have to give SC props for doing a decent job. But on a whole, it really is quite substandard, in my opinion.
So let’s hear what you have to say.
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No Woman No Cry - Bob Marley: Maybe I've only heard the slower moving live version, but that's what I (and I suspect most people) like. The SC version is too fast.
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Callin' Baton Rouge -Garth Brooks was way too slow. Same with Ronnie Milsap's What A Difference You've Made In My Life.
That opening bag pipe or whatever it's supposed to be on Copperhead Road doesn't sound good to me at all. I had people at the front table looking around the room wondering what the heck that was. But the rest of the song kicks.
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"Zoot Suit Riot"--Cherry Poppin' Daddies: you can tell that the lyric sheet included with the group's CD wasn't consulted when they transcribed the song. Almost every line in the song is incorrect!
"Louie Louie"--The Kingsmen: the timing is off just a little...
"Johnny B. Goode"--Chuck Berry: there are three verses to this classic, yet the SC Foundation version uses only two! The second verse (the one that starts with 'He used to carry his guitar in a gunny sack') is eliminated totally, and the third verse ('His mama told him someday you will be a man...') becomes the second verse, with the first verse ('Deep down in Louisiana, close to New Orleans...') repeated as the third verse. What could be done for an encore, drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa???
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Mark
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"LOW" by Cracker (Too "washed-out" with no real "punch"; weak solo as well)
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Closer--Nine Inch Nails The famous opening drum line just doesn't sound as crisp or have that mechanical hiss that the original does. I assume SC tried to recreate it on an real kit, but it just makes me cringe. Any chance of redoing this one on a future 80's and 90's disc?
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quote:Originally posted by karaokemonkey: Closer--Nine Inch Nails The famous opening drum line just doesn't sound as crisp or have that mechanical hiss that the original does. I assume SC tried to recreate it on an real kit, but it just makes me cringe. Any chance of redoing this one on a future 80's and 90's disc?
Yeah, it's okay, but not great. BC has stated that if they had more time to produce the track, they may have gotten it closer (no pun intended) to the original.
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I think they had to pull "Closer" due to licensing anyway, so I doubt they will be re-doing it.
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Re: "LOW" I've compared the original to the CDG as well, and to my ear the CDG version sounds a bit weak, hollow, and perfunctory....like the spark & spirit of the original song has been suppressed.
It's kinda like when a band plays a live cover tune, but they do a diluted, uninspired version that they can be accused of "phoning-in", rather than performing a kick-ass, high-spirited version they can be proud of! That's the kind of comparison I've been attempting to convey. After all the dust has settled, I guess we can simply agree to disagree on this one! Each of us may listen, hear, and interpret in a different manner.
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The version of "Sooner or Later" by the Grass Roots in the SC Foundation--musically, it's perfect. There's just one thing that bothers me (hmmm, I'm starting to sound like Columbo...LOL!): the part after the key change where Rob Grill starts singing stuff like "Do you feel you've had enough?" is sung by a studio singer, while the poor person singing this version is stuck doing the BACKING part, which repeats "Sooner or later, love is gonna get'cha" over and over ad nauseam. It would have been more interesting for the singer (and made for much better listening) if the lead part had been done there.
For that reason, I use a lesser-quality manufacturer's version of the song (no disrespect to SC, but I have my preferences about how the song, as well as the others I mentioned before, should be done).
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Mark
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Normally, I always go to SC first, after all their track record is nearly flawless.
But there are a couple of songs that I was disappointed in:
"Fruit Cakes" - Jimmy Buffett, only 2 manufacturers offer this, and it is one of my favorites to sing, music is OK, but words in the spoken part really don't match up at all, of course the less expensive version's music is subpar at best.
"P###y Control" - Prince, again SC is the only one to offer this crowd pleaser, but...What happened?
But in praise I will say that SC offered the only song by my personal fav band Primus, on the now discontinued SC8532, and pulled it off almost flawlessly and they are not the easiest band in the world to duplicate. Thanks SC for putting out quality discs month after month!!!
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I guess this is OK. I'll tiptoe in here for one. I would like the very talented current regime to take a stab at re-doing "Bridge Over Troubled Water".
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"Naked Eye" - Luscious Jackson i think this one was released around 1997, and sc didn't have a lot of hip-hop songs in its catalogue (at that time); i think some of the musicians back then struggled to capture the true vibe of this song when they played it.
i don't know the proper musical term for this, but the drumming on this song seems to be very bland. instead of the frenetic crashing hip-hop style on the original recording, the drumming on the karaoke version makes the song sound so m.o.r.
also, the lyric wipes are wrong in that the second verse starts wiping while the chorus is still heard in the background (the chorus should have been wiped twice).
yes, i agree: Baby Got Back - Sir Mix-A-Lot has lyric wipes that are not in sync with the music.
No Scrubs - TLC is missing the word "ass", no substituted symbols or anything, just a blank following "...his dumb " this song was done before sc's foray into hip-hop, so the current policy on bad lyrics wasn't in place at the time, i suppose.
Creep - TLC is missing the guitar riff thougout the entire song. the guitar is probably the most compelling voice of the entire song, but you can't hear it at all on the karaoke version of this song.
Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy - David Bowie & Bing Crosby was wiped as a duet. the wipes flash by too quickly between each singer (bing is still warbling "come, they tolllllllddddd me" when david comes in to sing his "peace on earth....can it be"), making it very difficult to follow along.
this song works only when both singers really know it and aren't the kind of karaokeans that have to follow the lyric wipes while singing.
actually, i wish for a redo of this song where the bing vocals are pre-recorded in the background, leaving only david bowie's lyrics wiping across the screen. this would give many of us the flexibility to sing this song solo, for it's often hard to find someone willing/able to do the bing part.
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Van Halen's Ice Cream Man - The guitar is just.. mild. And it's recorded really quiet - I always have to crank it up even though it should be a loud, rockin' song. And even then, it's missing something. Especially when you get a strong, powerful singer - the music just sort of pales in comparison.
I've never had anyone request it more than once, they always opt for some other VH song the next time.
Eddie's initial "yeahhhhhh" (which is a big part of the song to me) is not present. Also a lot of the words are incorrect.
Warren G/Nate Dogg "Regulate"
The song cuts off before the end? The entire last verse is just not present.
Bush "Comedown"
There's no intro? I mean, sure it's a 55 second intro but I've always seen SC as one to go ahead with long intros and outros.
Beck "Loser"
Line at a time swiping, plus what should be background vocals are sometimes shown on the screen as normal vocals...I've seen tons of people thrown off by this.
Slipknot "Wait And Bleed"
The music is just not crisp, which is really unfortunate because this is the ONLY Slipknot song out there ANYWHERE on karaoke.
Also, I would like to say that in defense of SC's version of NIN's "Closer"...that it is the only FULL version of the song out there. Other companies that did this song cut the song short, which is really annoying.
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If they work on THE THUNDER ROLLS, they also need to add the third verse.
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I agree with that, and I know SC can do it much better than another label did.
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Most of the songs listed for bad or slow or fast lyric swipes are from early discs. Yeah, maybe there are 4 or ten songs out there that somebody might not feel are right, but what about all the others that are done great.
Missing verses, and so on. I guess one of their biggest questions when they put out a song, is radio version or lp version; if it is a duet, or three, four, or whatever people singing, how do we go about it. How much vocal do we put on lyric swipe, or just leave it as background. SC has to answer these questions before they produce, and sometimes they give us two versions of a song, solo and duet version.
It is not that they just didn't get a song right, they did the best they could, and I for one am happy that they gave it a shot, especially on some of the songs that are mentioned above - it is better to have a good version by SC, then none at all, or a crappy version by someone else.
BTW - another company put out Billy Idol's Scream and got it all messed up, but SC did a great job.
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"Beep Beep" by the Playmates--why are there no backing vocals to play off? It's HARD for one person to sing...unless you're like my KJ friend who can sing it as is. I'm not that good--I NEEDED THOSE BACKING VOCALS!!
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One I was trying last night at home was throwing me off all the way... the background vocalists to "Your Wildest Dreams"... my GAWD, I can't harmonize with that!
Would have preferred something a bit more subtle!
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I've always had a big problem with "Yankee Rose" by David Lee Roth (from Brickette #5). The chorus goes something like this:
(singer) Show me your (backing track) Bright lights (singer) and your (backing track) City lights (singer) All right I'm talkin' bout the Yankee Rose
Now, the problem I have is this: The part I have higlighted in bold is sung by only one backing singer, and it's the high harmony. So, in order for it to sound right, the karaoke singer MUST sing along with ALL the parts, and it's quite a mouthful... that entire passage is basically a long "run-on sentence." Roth DOES sing all those parts; but, he overdubbed it in the studio, as if he was his own backing vocalist.
I believe a better idea would have been for SC to simply have provided two backing singers doing the full harmony part. Then, the singer could try to squeeze an extra word in here or there if they choose, but they wouldn't be forced to.
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Another Sound Choice track that I am unhappy with is "The Memory Remains" by Metallica. In the original, the verses are overdubbed with a high voice and a low voice, an octave apart. I believe Sound Choice should have supplied the LOW voice on the track, allowing the singer to sing the more dominant higher part. Instead, you are made to sing the low part, while an unseen voice "belts out the highs." The karaoke vocalist sings the same exact range during the intro and the chorus, so why should you have to drop an octave and let a prerecorded voice take over for you?
I commented on this very issue several years ago, saying that Monster Hits had it all wrong, and that I hoped Sound Choice would do it the other way. Anyone else do these songs? Whaddya think? Maybe some folks would prefer singing the low part.
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Agree with the Bob Marley no woman no cry. For some reason it just doesnt sound right to me. Another if I remember correct is Dave Dudley's six days on the road. too fast more like the sawyer brown remake from a few years back.
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Marcolake, though I heaven't heard it,I think I understand what you're saying about the DC5 song. I think there was a brief era of mixes that are tough to sing over. That being said SC is still incredible. I have actually said over the mic, "That's not ____. That's Sound Choice!
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1.)Lit "Miserable" - Terrible guitar riffs in the beginning of the song. It almost sounds like it was played on a Casio organ or something... 2.)Sugar Ray "Falls Apart" - Awful beginning Intro. Again, guitar sounds "electronic" rather than stringy. 3.)Grass Roots "Midnight Confession" - Bass is a little weak in the song and the horn section again sounds "hoaky"
With that being said there "Butterfly" song by Crazy Town is perhaps one of the best reproduced songs I have ever heard by Sound Choice. There is a lot of keyboard and programmable drums in the original with some funky background vocals. By any measure, very difficult to duplicate but Sound Choice NAILED it !!! GREAT JOB !
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I sing "Midnight Confessions" often and haven't noticed these problems. I do notice that the power chords on Badfinger's "Baby Blue" could use more power. But so could Badfinger's recording.
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I know this is an old thread, but I'm going to add "Somebody To Love" From Jefferson Airplane to the list. The lyrics at the start of the second verse are completely wrong and it's messed up more than one singer at my shows.
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Before I start: It almost seems disingenuous to complain to SC, which produces the very best karaoke tracks on the planet. One listen to their arrangement of (for example) Chi Coltrane's "Thunder and Lightning" shows the lengths to which they will sometimes go to recreate the original sound of a hit record.
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I agree with Brian that the guitar work on Badfinger's "Baby Blue" is not powerful enough. That riff under the vocals is supposed to be a counterpoint to the vocals; instead, it gets buried unless the singer backs off, which wrecks the whole vibe. SC's version of the Beatles' "And Your Bird Can Sing" has exactly the same problem. Luckily, both of these favorites are better represented on other labels.
A general gripe I have with ALL karaoke producers is that background vocals are consistently mixed TOO LOW. This is especially true of songs by groups with prominent harmony vocals like the Beatles, the Beach Boys and CSN&Y. I constantly find myself pulling away from the mic so that the weak-sounding harmony can be heard by the audience. I don't know how this wimpy mixing aesthetic crept into karaoke production, but it needs to stop, now! Posts: 84 | Registered: Jan 2001
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FOr starters, I vote you LAY OFF THE INSISTENCE!!! sheesh.
On-topic, however, it's been brought to my attention that "Regulate" by Warren G is shortened by a whole verse and bridge...would like to see that one re-done with the complete ending...
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Yes RC I mentioned that a while back I was so excited about it finally coming out on SC and was very sad with the outcome. THough I will say they do amazing work everyone has some bad ones from time to time
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i was elated when sound choice was the first to offer the remix version of step in the name of love by r.kelly but the editing on this was poorly constructed and through it is still heavlly performed it would be nice to do the full lenght lp version instead of the radio edit the main reason is because after the break in the middle its time to do the stepping dance and this karaoke version cuts the dance portion out almost completely.
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-dave clark five/catch us if you can-could play it and not sing and get applause-your vocals have to be real loud -the fix/less that zero-somethings not quite right with the chorus. -mambo no. #5-the chorus with the first "Monica in my life" just dies. need back-up. the rest-great!!!
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This is it - Kenny Loggins......The Worst song I've ever experienced that Sound Choice has ever produced, my father recently died and tried to sing it, but it just didnt sound right at all....
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I have this SC's version of "This Is It". I believe it's the live version. It is slower and kind of jazzier than the normal radio version. I actually picked up this version and have sung it. It's fine to me. If you're not familiar with this version, then I can understand why you would have a hard time singing it. (In the beginning, I did.) Until I learned this version. But it would be nice to have the radio version made as well. Peace out.
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