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As someone who bought both Foundations, and many, many Spotlight Discs, I have always appreciated your musicianship and the quality of your discs.
But lately, you have done something for me that I have found even more invaluable.
Your refusal to put out anything new in the last several months has forced me to have to look elsewhere to provide my karaoke patrons their fix of something new to sing.
I have found that since the last time I purchased discs from the other companies with any regularity, their own production values have increased to the point where I can once again be proud to put one of their discs on and not have to feel like I need to apologize to my singers for the quality.
There are only one or two companies, mind you, but while they're churning out hits, I'm buying them with a renewed passion. Karaoke is not only fun to provide and to sing, but I've been reminded that it's great to shop around and discover new things instead of relying on what seemed to be ol' tried-and-true. I no longer need to buy your discs because other companies beat you to the punch with new releases.
So thank you. Because of you, I've rediscovered that you're not the only karaoke company out there, and I look forward to rendering my cash to them.
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While I won't share in the sarcasm, the 4 month gap between pop and country volume releases has forced me to do the same.
Prior to this January, I used to rely on the Pop Hits Volume XXX and Country Hits volume XXX series on Sspotlights as the staple for newer songs. They weren't the quickest to market, but the delay was certainly acceptable for the quality. Also, adding 15 songs at once per disc versus 9 or so on other brands seemed to also be worth a few weeks wait. But 4 months?
4 months between releases is just not worth the wait. I will continue to buy specialty Spotlights when something pops up that is interesting, but the Pop Hits and Country Hits are so far behind that I do not think they will catch up. The releases for March 29 are very old and have already been in my catalog under another brand. It's very disappointing. I still think SC does a great job on the songs that they manage to release... I just wish they were more frequent. So, for new hits I will be using other brands until such time as this gap is resolved. Part of me is upset about a percieved quality issue, but I have to keep current. I can't afford to buy every disc out there, so that means one company will get the benefit of my meager sales.
I don't do this full time, but my customers expect to be able to sing relatively current hits just as they have done before. Sound Choice is not making it easy to be loyal to their brand.
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Now I could be wrong, but I beleive that SC had hinted or mentioned in earlier posts that the Power Picks could be either going or gone. There was fair warning for those of us who read this board.
Yes, you can get the newer songs anywhere, but...
Where are you going to get those great 70's & 80's tunes, those Headbangers and All Made Up discs, those reggae discs, all the older songs that you love that nobody else puts out!!!
The newer songs are coming out on Spotlight discs, which is okay, but give me some old J. Geils and Judas Priest anyday and I'll be a happy camper.
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quote:Originally posted by DavidE: Now I could be wrong, but I beleive that SC had hinted or mentioned in earlier posts that the Power Picks could be either going or gone. There was fair warning for those of us who read this board.
Yes, you can get the newer songs anywhere, but...
Where are you going to get those great 70's & 80's tunes, those Headbangers and All Made Up discs, those reggae discs, all the older songs that you love that nobody else puts out!!!
The newer songs are coming out on Spotlight discs, which is okay, but give me some old J. Geils and Judas Priest anyday and I'll be a happy camper.
If I was buying music for personal consumption.. I'd surely agree with you. However, the 20-something customers want today's hits, be it Pop or Country, and are not clamoring for songs that occurred before their birth date. Like I said, I will continue to buy the specialty Spotlights if they interest me. But if the Pop and Country hits are 4 or 5 months old, I'll pass.
I never never purchased Power Picks for professional use. I would have rather waited for the Spotlights because I don't need the vocal tracks wasting disc space. I'd rather have 15 singable songs as opposed to 8.
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This is really difficult, because I love SC and as far as quality goes they are undoubtedly #1 but I agree here. ...
Anyways, actually it will have been 6 months between Pop Hits when this new one comes out, not 4. October was the last one if I am not mistaken.
I understand their problems with licensing, but there's enough new music out there that you should be able to put out 15 songs, ...
I am still looking forward to this upcoming disc, as it will improve the quality of those tracks. Also it will give me Three Days Grace's Pain... which I've been waiting for since I heard it.
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I would agree with DavidE here, but how many of these discs get put out a year? One? Two from each series? That's not going to make SC any money.
The only thing that is going to make them money is to start releasing discs again, because they can only get cash from sales. You can't sell nothing, which is exactly what they've been producing lately.
Other companies aren't simply repackaging for the sake of a quick buck for no work. ...
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Listen if you need the hits right away because in 4 months it will be too late, then that tells me they will not be long standing. I'd rather wait for a Best of Pop, Country, Rock, Hip Hop of 2000 whatever. Then you should get songs that should have some staying power.
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yes but if they're putting out discs every 4 months...that's 15 songs every 4 months instead of 60
and with the "Pop Hits" disc being spread out target many audiences, maybe half of the songs on a given Pop Hits disc will appeal to me
so 7-8 songs every 4 months?
"staying power" is something I've never understood with a monthly hits disc
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quote:Originally posted by Timberlea: Listen if you need the hits right away because in 4 months it will be too late, then that tells me they will not be long standing. I'd rather wait for a Best of Pop, Country, Rock, Hip Hop of 2000 whatever. Then you should get songs that should have some staying power.
Staying power is completely irrelevant... If that was important to hosting a show, we would all be running with less than 1000 songs that have "staying power". Customers hear a song on the radio, and they decide they want to sing it NOW.. not at the end of the year when a "Best Of" disc comes out. Can you honestly say that it would be cool if your local karaoke host only added songs ONCE A YEAR? That is completely ridiculous! I'd sure love to have to only buy megahits, but that isn't how karaoke customers work.
As a host, I know I have songs that probably won't be sung again a year after they were hot... but the fact is people sang it while it was current, and they were happy to have it then. Karaoke isn't simply about the top 100 songs of all time. If you want to sing only those types of songs, go on a cruise ship. Providing a current and up-to-date catalog helps to keep your show interesting and keeps people coming back.
Past precedent was that SC used to have a fairly regular stream of Pop Hits Volumes and Country Hits Volumes to satisfy most new cravings, along with the various specialty discs of various sorts. Now the new stuff seems to have slowed to a trickle, and frankly lots of top songs are being left out, and it's not all licensing.
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Listen, my partner gets "monthlies" every month and might be lucky if one song off each disc is done. So spending about $20 a disc or whatever for one song, to me is not a good business decision. Now wait a few months and get a disc of the best where several songs will be done is much more economical.
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I like some new stuff too, but I think staying power is relevant. Playing devil's advocate:
1. If hosts are under pressure from singers to get the newest music NOW SC has to ask itself whether it can get out the songs fast enough or whether hosts would be willing to wait longer for an SC product.
2. Since SC puts out more discs with past songs than some companies that just focus on the newest material there is a question of resources. For example, if the effective life of a Pop Hits disc was 6 months to a year and a 70's/80s or Headbanger disc continued to sell at a steady pace for years it would seem to make better business sense to do more of the latter discs. I do not know whether this is accurate or not, but at least with older songs you have the benefit of more data to determine how they age.
3. If you get past the need it now problem less frequent "best of"s for new songs might make better sense from SC's standpoint in terms of making a more attractive package for the home market and allowing for a little more perspective on what is a more enduring song.
The bottom line is SC is probably doing what they thinks makes economic sense, which is obviously frustrating to those of us who just want the songs and know that WE'd pay for them.
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Sure it would be nice to only buy discs every few months with the songs that will stick longer than a few months. Makes for rather boring shows in the meantime. Tim, you should keep a database of every song ever sang at your shows, then tell us how many bad business decisions Laurie made buying those discs over the years.
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I don't know how many times I've had to tell people "sorry that song's too new, we don't have it yet" (we keep as up-to-date as humanly possible, including the monthly manus)
at least 3 times a night
the Sunday show I go to always gets "hey I just heard this band last night on SNL, do you have such-and-such song?"
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Quite frankly he could get rid of 3/4 of his collection and still have a great show. However, he is a bit of a collector (obsessive lol) and can easily afford it. But for someone just starting out or part time, it really is a waste of money. However waiting for a best of disc makes much more sense.
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...and those people have the benefit of buying the Foundation sets if that's what they need to start out.
The Spotlight discs are/were for ongoing KJ's who want new stuff. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be made at all.
My show is one that feeds off the latest rock stuff being played on the radio, with the rock standards thrown in between (and I'm not talking about BTO or other classic rock).
I know I must be in the minority for not having a show where someone comes along and sings Bette Midler every night, but I can't believe I'm the only one who craves what's being played on the radio.
We're getting request after request after request after request after request for the new Finger Eleven tune, Paralyzer.
That song is fun to sing, hear, and dance to. My crowd would dig it right down to the oldest guy in the corner.
If I waited for SC to put it out, it would fall off the radar, and that has nothing to do with staying power. Of the millions of songs released each year, some gems do fall by the wayside because radio has moved on and stopped playing them, not because it wasn't good enough.
Also, what could be considered staying power for me may differ for you. Rage Against The Machine gets sung weekly at my show. How many people can say that?
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I think what is really needed is a CANADIAN monthly (or even bi-monthly) type hits company!
I mean there are so many UK companies, and even several Australian ones...why not Canada? most of their top bands are better than their US counterparts anyways
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I have a sneaking suspicion................ There is only two reasons why Soundchoice would stop making discs.............. (1)They are going out of business OR (2) They are reformatting, I believe it is the second choice, I think they are only making new releases that are going to be computer savvy, but they have to wait for the licensing, and then they will barrage us all with the songs at once, and redeem themselves as the #1 supplier of karaoke products, thus restoring our faith in the company once again. (This is only my opinion)
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quote:Originally posted by Timberlea: Quite frankly he could get rid of 3/4 of his collection and still have a great show. However, he is a bit of a collector (obsessive lol) and can easily afford it. But for someone just starting out or part time, it really is a waste of money. However waiting for a best of disc makes much more sense.
and makes for a crappy show in the meantime. People will go where they can sing the songs they want.
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With almost 6,000 (1/4 of what he has) of his best I highly doubt it. More to karaoke than the number of songs. Like high energy, props, entertaining host, great sound system.
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Okay, getting close to time to wrap it up – there’s too much nonsense, ignorance stated as fact, plain bs, and wild speculation in this thread, all of which typically lead to unfounded rumors by those who know as little or less, to leave it up. Had people kept to the original point of discussion, that would have been acceptable, but now there is too much ignorant twaddle to leave this up.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and we don’t mind listening to our customers’ complaints about not doing songs, not releasing discs and other relevant customer service issues. But some of you should get off the ignorant and uninformed parts of your posts about the karaoke market that you don’t know anything about.
Before you spout off about how huge the market is and how much demand there is for songs and genres, and how much money is out there to be made, start with the basic concept of BUSINESS – and you don’t even have to know pertinent information like how much it costs to manufacture and distribute a karaoke disc, or how good or bad the sale numbers are – much of it is just basic COMMON SENSE.
If there was such a demand in the karaoke market for ‘rock’ and ‘current rock’, why is it that several labels have dropped the Rock lines in the past 2 years? Do you THINK that’s because sales were so good they said, “gee, we sure don’t want those good sales numbers, just look at all that terrible money we’re making, we better drop those lines quick.”?
Or… … do you think it might be because, between POOR sales and licensing problems, plus the piracy that parasites all reasonably good karaoke music, plus the fact that it’s difficult to do (at least to do well), they said, “gee, these sales suck, the licensing is difficult to arrange, when it’s even possible, and those rock folks charge more than the other genres. Plus, we get killed with the piracy on top of the extra high costs. We’re losing our a$$ on this stuff, and it’s the hardest music to reproduce, so why are we doing this again?.”
Aside from the text I’ve already deleted from several posts, here’s another gem of nonsense: “The Spotlight discs are/were for ongoing KJ's who want new stuff. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be made at all.”
Gee… 70s&80’s, Headbangers, 50’s, 60’s&70’s, Mama, Bubba, Wedding, Silly Songs, Artist discs, and on and on. Spotlights are a FORMAT line, not a genre line – they include multiple genres by design, and have since day 1.
Two more ….
“The only thing that is going to make them money is to start releasing discs again, because they can only get cash from sales. You can't sell nothing, which is exactly what they've been producing lately.”
”Other companies aren't simply repackaging for the sake of a quick buck for no work.”
First, I didn’t realize our internal business plans and operations were such an open book and common knowledge. But for the others that may yet not be so ill-informed, for the past few years – ever since piracy and publishers made it plain that the old business model wasn’t going to work any longer – we’ve been building alternative business markets with our sizeable catalog. And we will continue to develop and, hopefully, profit from these businesses outside the old model karaoke world that built this company. Some of this has become public knowledge over the past few years, but only if you’re paying attention to areas other than the specific KJ world.
As to the second statement, I don’t know if the author is a hard worker or a lazy sloth, but I do know what it takes to license these songs, and obviously, he does not. So please keep that ignorance off this board.
Most of these statements are based on what Sound Choice has done in the past 10+ years, based on how this company was built, and based on what the karaoke market used to be – and those are the key words – used to be – because it’s not the same market and it hasn’t been for a few years. Sorry if that is news.
Not only has the market changed, but the companies that have survived have also changed. We don’t expect you to know or understand which companies have been sued and lost copyright infringement lawsuits, and cannot legally operate in this country any longer. Or which companies don’t bother to license ANY of the material they release. Or, conversely, which companies do license their releases and respect basic business principles.
Nor do I expect any of you to understand the first thing about song publishing/licensing and what it takes to get the work done, and what it costs – because you don’t, believe me. Not a clue.
But I can tell you that it’s about to get worse, and there will be less releases from the entire karaoke industry, at least as are distributed in the United States.
Nor do we expect that you have an understanding as to the size – think small – of the karaoke disc market. Most can’t really know, although most KJs have also suffered as a result of piracy (whether they know it or not).
But even when a certain foreign manufacturer tells you on another board that his discs rarely break sales of 100 – ONE HUNDRED – copies in this country and provides some small piece of information as to the size of the market, most of you don’t catch it, or recognize the information, and continue to make more unfounded statements based on nothing remotely close to facts. (BTW: - even with the worst cheeseball MIDI crap, you can’t make a profit on sales of a couple hundred copies IF you’re paying the licensing.)
What I do expect is that you might take those types of logical thought processes into account before you start spouting off AS IF you know something about what you’re talking about when it comes to our business practices and the karaoke market.
We know that every customer wants what they want right now, but business can’t always function like that. I’d love to see such a KJ purchase – PAY for it – every single song that every single singer asks you for, and see how that tallies up at the end of the year for you. I’ve never seen such an alleged business where people spout off one thing and complain about what they want, and then turn around and completely do the opposite because it serves their individual purposes. “Do all these songs and do them really well, but I don’t want to pay your high prices…. Yeah, you did that song, but I can get it cheaper from this other guy… but I want you to do these songs, too…. No, I won’t work for that cheap price that those scummy undercutters work for, I want full price…”
You’re welcome to express your opinions, positive or negative, about what you like, don’t like, and want in our products. Please keep the unfounded nonsense off this boards, lest others, equally as ill-informed, will believe because they, too, don’t know any better.
Every business person has to do what it takes to make their business work, and that’s what we will continue to do. Naturally, we expect all our customers to do the same.
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Having addressed the content in this thread, let me also state that we will be back with more frequent releases of Pop and Country hits Spotlights.
We expect that they will be released more in line with every other month, not four or five months apart.
However, they will never again be as frequently released as they once were - or, I can't see how that would ever come about. The quality of the music doesn't justify it, and the licensing is too restricted to have as many releases as before.
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quote:Originally posted by BC/Studio Manager: Having addressed the content in this thread, let me also state that we will be back with more frequent releases of Pop and Country hits Spotlights.
We expect that they will be released more in line with every other month, not four or five months apart.
However, they will never again be as frequently released as they once were - or, I can't see how that would ever come about. The quality of the music doesn't justify it, and the licensing is too restricted to have as many releases as before.
Thanks BC... thats certainly good news. Every other month definitely is more workable than 4 or 5 months.
As for prices, I don't see the retail price that is available on Spotlight discs being any different than other discs out there, and considering the number of songs (15 versus some number like 9 or 10), they are actually CHEAPER per song these days.
As for quality in the music of today... one person's trash is another's treasure. I can't always understand why certain songs and artists are requested, but I have to try and provide material that people ask for... even if it collects dust after 6 months.
Spotlight discs have always been the format of choice for me when available (for the most part) due to the 15 or 16 songs per disc and the superior sound quality.
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good to hear that they'll be back more often
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While everyone else is busy kissing your ass, I want you to read this and read it well before you edit it and delete it simply because it doesn’t shine favourably on your business.
quote:Okay, getting close to time to wrap it up – there’s too much nonsense, ignorance stated as fact, plain bs, and wild speculation in this thread, all of which typically lead to unfounded rumors by those who know as little or less, to leave it up.
Could that be because we basically get ignored by the forum moderators until it’s time for them to unload?
Maybe if we heard about news and whatnot and were kept a little more in the loop, we’d understand more. Not that your business dealing are any of our business, but WE are the ones who kept YOU in business for so long. I don’t care if your new business model is to sell karaoke-on-demand licensing to channels like Comcast. Like their customers aren't just going to Tivo the songs they want to sing and transfer them onto DVD before they ditch you after they get what they want. A temporary solution, while you alienate the long-term ones.
It seems that you’re ignoring what brought you to the dance, and since we small little KJs don’t fit into your new business model, it’s time to cast us aside. Rudely, at that.
quote:Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and we don’t mind listening to our customers’ complaints about not doing songs, not releasing discs and other relevant customer service issues. But some of you should get off the ignorant and uninformed parts of your posts about the karaoke market that you don’t know anything about.
See above. Also, most of us may not know anything about the business, but we do know about what WE do to make a living. If you don’t want to be a part of that any longer, hey no problem. I’ll buy my stuff elsewhere.
quote:If there was such a demand in the karaoke market for ‘rock’ and ‘current rock’, why is it that several labels have dropped the Rock lines in the past 2 years?
Likely because there wasn’t enough of a market for so many companies to do it at once, but if you can do it, and do it best, the monopoly is yours. Anyone with any basic idea of business knows that.
I really hate how you constantly talk down to everyone in this forum like we don’t know what we’re doing. Almost everyone here is a businessman/woman to a large degree because to a lot of them, KJing is their only job. We know what it takes to keep our business afloat, and obviously it isn’t Sound Choice anymore.
quote:“Plus, we get killed with the piracy on top of the extra high costs. We’re losing our a$$ on this stuff, and it’s the hardest music to reproduce, so why are we doing this again?.”
So how many times can you stick “New York, New York” on a disc and still be profitable?
quote:First, I didn’t realize our internal business plans and operations were such an open book and common knowledge.
They should be. Every successful business stays that way by feeding their moneylines morsels of information to keep interest during a rebuilding stage. That you haven’t done much of that shows that I am not the one with problems in business knowledge. Either that or you simply don’t see us as a moneyline anymore. If that’s the case I really wish you would tell us all that so we wouldn’t have to be bother with guessing what’s going to go on because we’re being kept in the dark.
quote: we’ve been building alternative business markets with our sizeable catalog. And we will continue to develop and, hopefully, profit from these businesses outside the old model karaoke world that built this company.
Read: “We’re done with you guys. We’re catering to the home market now. Seeyas!”
quote:As to the second statement, I don’t know if the author is a hard worker or a lazy sloth, but I do know what it takes to license these songs, and obviously, he does not.
It’s been said that I have gone through the motions of what it takes to get a disc set up, and were it not for some troubles with getting key musicians on board, we’d be doing it ourselves. I know exactly what it takes to get licensing. You don’t need to act sanctimonious with me.
quote:Most of these statements are based on what Sound Choice has done in the past 10+ years, based on how this company was built, and based on what the karaoke market used to be – and those are the key words – used to be – because it’s not the same market and it hasn’t been for a few years. Sorry if that is news.
And some of us have been working on a new model ourselves, and with the digital age we’re learning more and more what it takes to keep our business going strong while being ignored by you.
However, any time there’s mention of going with computers and whatnot, we’re told how illegal it is, and to stick with the old model – something you yourselves refuse to do. So where does that leave us?
quote:Not only has the market changed, but the companies that have survived have also changed. We don’t expect you to know or understand which companies have been sued and lost copyright infringement lawsuits, and cannot legally operate in this country any longer.
I’m pretty sure we know, because their discs aren’t on the shelves of our favourite stores any longer. If companies like Top Tunes et al were still around, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
quote:Nor do I expect any of you to understand the first thing about song publishing/licensing and what it takes to get the work done, and what it costs – because you don’t, believe me. Not a clue.
Do you always talk down to people?
quote:But I can tell you that it’s about to get worse, and there will be less releases from the entire karaoke industry, at least as are distributed in the United States.
Well since you’ve made it clear that you’re not interested in my money anymore, I’ll start buying Zoom and Sunfly’s discs then.
quote:But even when a certain foreign manufacturer tells you on another board that his discs rarely break sales of 100 – ONE HUNDRED – copies in this country and provides some small piece of information as to the size of the market, most of you don’t catch it, or recognize the information, and continue to make more unfounded statements based on nothing remotely close to facts.
Do you always talk down to people?
quote:“Do all these songs and do them really well, but I don’t want to pay your high prices…. Yeah, you did that song, but I can get it cheaper from this other guy… but I want you to do these songs, too…. No, I won’t work for that cheap price that those scummy undercutters work for, I want full price…”
No, of course we don’t understand that. We don’t get the same demands of us by our karaoke customers who don’t pay anything for the service we provide and demand we buy songs as they want them. We have no idea what that feels like.
quote:You’re welcome to express your opinions, positive or negative, about what you like, don’t like, and want in our products.
All the comments by me in this post are all opinions, positive and negative, and don’t pass anything off as fact that isn’t so.
Retroboy, there's a big difference betweeen being fed 'morsels of information' and essentially a 'state of the union address,' as it seems you want. I guess I'd like to be in the loop a little bit more with what's been going on with the new releases, too. But if it got to the point where I needed to know, I wouldn't post that snarky first comment and expect to be treated with an ounce of respect.
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AMEN. It always amazes/dismays me when people get some of the same attitude back that they so freely spouted earlier, and then call me rude - lol.
You reap what you sew.
Read the words before you react - you're missing the point/s. Nobody said anything about abandoning the KJ market, but nobody with an ounce of sense would expect a business to run at a loss. Yes, we've cut back - and that isn't changing - but we'll still be around as long as we can make it work as a business.
It's too bad you can't accept that, but that's the way it's is in today's world.
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Hey, I have NO problem getting as good as I give.
But for BC to sit there and tell me that I don't know a thing about the karaoke business is BS. He chastises me about making assumptions and then does the same himself.
There's a difference between rude and hypocritical, and BC crossed it.
quote:Nobody said anything about abandoning the KJ market
Well, you did say that you have more irons in the fire. Let me quote:
quote:we’ve been building alternative business markets with our sizeable catalog. And we will continue to develop and, hopefully, profit from these businesses outside the old model karaoke world that built this company.
If charging home users for the odd subscription is what's going to make your money while you ignore those have lined your pockets all these years, then you're the one who needs a lesson. It's a good thing for you that you're surrounded by people who are in awe of you because you talk down to them, like you're the Wizard of Oz or something. They'll buy your stuff no matter what.
I don't need to thank you and kiss your ass in a forum for your hard work. I thank you in dollars every time I buy a disc.
If you can't accept that you've been lax in telling us anything we can use, or anything that we can go to our customers with, then you deserve the bad press you're getting.
You haven't figured out yet that you make us look equally bad to our patrons, because they don't see that you're not doing YOUR job. They see it as us not doing OURS.
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You bring up good points, Retroboy, but your message is affected by the tone of your original post. I don't think being respectful of the moderator equates kissing his a**, but I think common sense dictates that there's a right way and a wrong way to deliver your message without it getting started on the wrong foot, you know?
I'm frustrated that Sound Choice hasn't been putting out new disks, too. But when I put on my listening ears and hear that the "market" isn't what it was five years ago, the no new disk thingy makes a little more sense. Will I buy other brands to "fill in the gaps?" sure. Does Sound Choice expect a KJ's library to be exclusively comprised of Sound Choice titles? I doubt it, but common courtesy would be to leave discussion of other manufacturers on other mesage boards.
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You're making my point for me. Where - anywhere - in my quotes does it say SC is abandoning the KJ market?
You mean because we're also in other markets?!
Sorry I'm not communicating on your wavelength.
To restate the obvious, if we had to depend solely on the KJ market, we would have gone under years ago. We're sure not going to rely on a market where the available content is limited by the licensor, what is available is expensive to license, and the market itself steals the released products and costs us somewhere between 25% and 33% of our margin.
The asset of this company is the music library, and we will continue to leverage that in all avaialble markets, including the KJ market. But any business would be idiotic to limit itself to a shrinking, insecure and expensive market, when there are additional options.
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quote:I think common sense dictates that there's a right way and a wrong way to deliver your message without it getting started on the wrong foot, you know?
I think common sense dictates that nice, friendly reminder letters like what good people like King Tony left in the Song Requests forum ("A Pop Hits disc" thread) get ignored for weeks on end.
My point may have been brash, but I got BC's attention, and an answer out of him.
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BC has stated ad nauseum that he's too busy to check these boards for every post. IF you have a direct question for him, E-MAIL him. Leave a Private message, and he gets an email sent to him.
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I am not a kj but I do buy discs and it would be foolish of this or any company not to sell to more than just kjs. This business is not just for kjs no matter how long they think that they have supported it. People get turned on to new things everyday and that is what keeps things going on. I'm glad I get a chance to buy discs for the home market. That does not mean I will not go out and sing karaoke.
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