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What endears certain singers to KJ's? For women, their young figures, or is it really their singing, or is it the songs they sing? Will you put them in the rounds more often? Take money to get them in?
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Only if you want to cause a riot and lose customers.
Rule # 1: Never screw with the rotation.
Rule # 2: If you feel like you have to screw with the rotation, refer to Rule #1.
Posts: 377 | From: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada | Registered: Mar 2002
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However, I am a KJ and female. What endears certain singers? For me it's their personality. If someone is pleasant I enjoy them.. Fortunately we have had our fair share of great people come to our shows.
While I'm not behind the equipment much I still run it just like my husband (and Timberlea) and NEVER mess with the rotation. We all learned (or should have) to take turns in Kindergarten.
Susie
-------------------- You do it in the shower, You do it in the car, come do it with us, and be a star......
Karaoke with Full House Entertainment Posts: 143 | From: Moore, OK USA | Registered: May 2004
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No one is treated special, everyone gets their chance & nothing will change that. I have a computer monitor that anyone can monitor exactly how my rotation is working at any time. KJ's who take bribes are greedy, if they need more money, charge the bar more. Patrons see this behavior & will either sit & accept it grudgingly or will vote with their feet right down the street. I won't lose a customer for a couple bucks & if I lose a customer because I wouldn't take their money to get them up faster, good riddance!
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there are a couple bad drunks on occassion I tend to forget about from time to time.LOL Its all about Attitude. it dont matter if you have a rotation of 5 or 50 if you put a a great show and have a personal relationship with your singers they tend to have a good time regardless. I always show up for my shows around 2 hours early I will hang out with the people in the bar, I will on occassion by them a drink and just talk about anything. Just to make them feel as important as the bar staff,also whenever there is some sort of problem it is normally brought up with you so you can fix it before the owners have that lecture with you about being fair, volume control,types of music etc. etc. etc.
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Trust me, the person thats been at your show all night knows if someone's sung twice before they went, no matter how long the rotation is. Favoritism is bad no matter how you look at it, unless you prefer small crowds.
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Well, you know, for me, its part of the job to try to make everyone feel like they are the star when they get in front of a microphone. Favoritism? Yeah... to everybody who sings. There are some that try to take advantage of it, but as long as I stand firm the problem goes away.
-------------------- The Pappy Smoke, Magic & Mirrors Entertainment A song on the lips is therapy for heart, mind and soul Posts: 249 | From: Greenville, SC USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by knightshow: I am endeared by ALL my singers, yes, even the bad ones... so I show no favoritism.
Yes, I'll occassionally make more than a standard comment when someone just ROCKS the house!
Like the attitude! I'm not a KJ, but if a "bad" singer is singing a good song, I still like hearing it. A couple weeks ago I heard a girl sing Xanadu. I love that song. She had a tough time with it because of the high notes, but she's the first person I've ever heard try to sing it. It was a breath of fresh air.
And if a good singer is singing a song I don't like? Well, it still don't sound that great. Posts: 683 | From: seattle,wa,usa | Registered: Oct 2003
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As a KJ I will not show favoritism in the rotation. What will happen is that regulars may be treated specially, such as putting them in the rotation as soon as they come in the door, or looking up numbers for a patron, but that is just customer service. If they wait their turn like everyone else and are treated like everyone else, there is no favoritism per se.
There are customers that endear themselves to me over others....they are usually the ones that "get it"...that understand what karaoke is about and add to the show without creating any stir or drama...the ones that pick good songs and change them often and drop enough cash while there to make it profitable...never complain about the rotation and are complimentary to me and to the show. Low maintenance. They are the people that I beam a little brighter about when they arrive. But, they will still wait their turn.
Posts: 60 | From: Daytona Beach FL Area | Registered: Apr 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Harryoke: As a KJ I will not show favoritism in the rotation. What will happen is that regulars may be treated specially, such as putting them in the rotation as soon as they come in the door, or looking up numbers for a patron, but that is just customer service. If they wait their turn like everyone else and are treated like everyone else, there is no favoritism per se.
Ok I guess that would be special treatment, I will write up a slip for anyone that asks, or will automatically enter them into the round when I see them walk in (in the same "insert" mode I use, so if there are a bunch of new singers still, they will have to wait through all of them first as well). I know most of my music & generally know what disc the songs are on.
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Just wanted to chime in. I run a very fair rotation in a first come first serve, new singers get bumped up sort of way. And I DO accept bribes. It actually doesn't happen all that often excpet for 1 gig. It's in downtown Chicago on a Friday night and all kinds of people are in the bar throwing their money around. Businessmen and the like often will give me $20-40 to sing next or have their date sing next. I'm taking it. I often equal my bar salary in tips and bribes. It's my business and I'm in it to make money as well as have fun and entertain people. And we are always packed.
Posts: 248 | From: chicago,iL,u.S.A. | Registered: Nov 2002
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Again, bottom line is, if it works for you- then go for it. This system obviously works for you. Those who rely on karaoke as a major source of income may have differing motivating factors than those who just do it on the side.
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Yeah, but still, what's fair is fair and what's right is right...at least in theory...and hopefully in practice more often than not. There is a place where I go to sing often, so I am considered a regular. Since I am a "low maintenance" individual and am low key and reasonable, the host (who claims to like me and seems genuinely happy to see me when I come out to sing) takes the self-imposed liberty to insert new singers into the rotation before my turn on a regular basis because he knows that I won't make a scene like many of the other regulars do when that happens to them. Some friend, huh? I get hosed for good behavior and for being a good guy and for showing some class and rising above, and all that crap, but I am getting very tired of this disrespect and how it makes me feel like a fool for being repeatedly treated like a second class citizen or something like that! I have not been going out to that show for about 3 weeks, and when I do go back I am planning on telling the host how I've been feeling about all the stuff I've been through. Nobody should have to be treated like I've been treated...especially a long term regular like myself. I find it amusing that the host always sings the lion's share of songs every night annd never misses his turn in any rotation and most of all, he never inserts an new singer/or singers directly in front of his turn in the rotation, but sees fit to routinely place new singers ahead of me (and a couple other regulars who have some class and have not shown a history of complaining and threatening and stuff like that), and in so doing, just taking the easy way out and not really doing his job right...also he is alienating some good customers. Other than this shortcoming, he is a pretty good host overall, but in the area of rotation fairness, he just does not seem to get it!
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I agree with everything you are saying. No one should be taken advantage of because they are being a good guy and not a whiner. If you talk to the host, I would suggest a polite approach, noting that it seems that the new singers seem to come in disproportionately before you rather than filtered evenly in the rotation and asking exactly what his policy is.
The other thing that has me curious is that you say the host is singing the "lion's share" of the songs every night. Since it sounds like you have a number of singers there, if the host is singing more than once in a rotation, that is wrong in my mind.
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ZydecoMerkex Please read ...If Your Coming To San Diego/SoCal under the Singers Forum.........
I May have some pull in the San Diego Area...... I Know the two guys who write the LA & SD Karaoke News papers. And Next Time I'm in San Diego maybe I can look into this Karaoke Bar's Rotation. You say you're a "Regular" at this bar. WHAT BAR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? and do they use more than one KJ? post your answer here on this thread.......
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Everyone doesn't always believe being fair is an issue. Most of them just like the attention some of the other patrons give them, ya know like the busty gal who shows her assets to make sure she goes up, and so on. The more you support guys like that, the more inflated their ego becomes.
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Amen to that, Dude....I couldn't agree more....seen it too damn many times B4 bro! It should be #1 with-a-bullet in the KJ hosting manual of absolute "customer turn-offs" and "no-no's", IMHO!!! (But, then again, what the hell do I know?)
BTW, I beg to differ with the contention that a KJ can "run a very fair rotation" while accepting bribes at the same time! Someone will have to explain to me how that works becuase it does not make a shred of sense to me....I just don't get it!!!
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My number one rule is set the rotation and keep to it. I do a few things for my regulars, like start 30 minutes early and only they know about it.. People try to tip their way up and I hand them back their money. In every case they hand it back to me and say keep it anyway, with a smile. Next time up I give them a little more hardy intro or something..
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thats rule number 2 Boo!!! Rule number 1 is start the show on time and make sure everything sounds great!!!!LOL
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quote:Originally posted by Showtimecalls: thats rule number 2 Boo!!! Rule number 1 is start the show on time and make sure everything sounds great!!!!LOL
Ahh very true, showtime! As you can see, since I start 30 minutes early, I've got 1.1 covered. As for 1.2 (sounding good) Oh yes, got that covered too... The BOSE PAS system can make good singers sound great, average singers sound good and bad singers, well they still sound bad.. HA! Just not as bad as they really are. Posts: 71 | Registered: Mar 2006
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