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Does anyone know of a CDG recorder that will burn the disc on the fly, say, at your show? Is it a machine? Or is it some software that you'd use in a laptop? A female KJ approached me and asked me if I knew if such a unit. They said they saw one inuse at another show. The KJ was burning the discs of the singers and selling them on the spot. Actually, it could have been just a regular CD recorder, without the graphics? Not looking to debate the ethical or legal aspect of this.
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If you're not looking for a debate, you really posted on the wrong site. About 80% of the poeple on this site won't answer the question, but they'll be sure to let you know how they feel about it.
Only thing worse than pirating at home, is doing it at a show. sounds like someone needs to be strung up in public and made an exaple of.
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Yes I know of several ways to record /burn on the fly...But I'm not gonna tell you Posts: 900 | From: Ottawa, ON Canada | Registered: Dec 2000
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I'd guess they are making a regular CD (audio only) - not one with the graphics. Some KJs will have a cassette tape recorder in their setup for making a karaoke moment; no thank you.
Personally, I've got enough to do when KJing. Also, I think karaoke is best enjoyed in real time (speaking as one who isn't the world's greatest singer).
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Posts: 232 | From: Chicago area | Registered: Nov 2001
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I think you all missed the point. He's not talking about copying CDGs he's talking about recording the person singing karaoke and burning the CD in real time.
to me it seems like a waste of a blank CD to put 3-5 mins of music on something that could hold 80 mins.
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Maybe he is talking about just recording the singer and not the music. All though I can see how you would compare burning a cd to a nuclear bomb. I am sure they both cause equal damage. Is that what Iraq is doing? We shouldnt be wasting our time looking for bombs, we should be looking for cd burners. I dont understand how some of you come up with these analogys. Posts: 59 | From: Kansas | Registered: Jul 2001
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The only way I can see that recording the singer but not the music would make sense is if Al Capella frequents his place.
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Sounds like reverse karaoke. A new product for those bands that like to play, but have no singers LOL. Instead of lyrics, the screen shows musical notes, in different colours for the different instruments.
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I know of a product that I'm planning on purchasing for my own enjoyment, not for my show. It has the capability, but since it's for me and not the show I'm all set.
*draws fine line on the floor, and waits to see who is going to cross it*
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I guess that would go like cassettes. I record at home on a cassette to see what I sound like on the song, check out where I can improve and/or relish or backdown a bit. I have a CD player/recorder with inputs and a mixer; but why do it for 3-4 songs, and why waste a CD when I can use a cassette at home. Recording yourself for home use and practice I would guess is okay, having someone record you at a show, no.
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Im Positive that recording yourself at home to hear what you sound like is fine...in fact something I should consider doing before I go out and slaughter my next song
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Last year I ran into a KJ in Providence, RI (at a large venue near the airport) who had established a practice of recording karaoke participants on a very simplistic and compact, "on-the-fly" style, mini-disc recording device. His concept was that if patrons brought-in their own personal PC mini-discs and then allowed him to record their performances, but did not charge for the service, then it was not considered "illegal" due to the fact that no monies changed hands and no profit was realized relative to performance and reproduction of copyrighted media intended specifically for strict personal use.
I briefly discussed this theory with him at one point during my visit to his show, and he assured me that the matter had been thoroughly investigated and was deemed legal under a specific set of circumstances, if followed to the letter. It has been a while since the aforementioned discussion took place, so I don't accurately remember all of the particulars he presented nor legal references quoted, however his argument and attendant rationale actually sounded reasonably convincing at the time, but I still remain cautious and unconvinced overall, having had time since then to think about it all in greater lucidity and detail.
I am curious as to whether anyone else has encountered similar practices and associated rationales for engaging in same....what say you?
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We had a bar here that used to give out cassettes of your song. If you want to split hairs on it, I'd say that even though no money changed hands, the fact that this was used as a selling point to attract people to this bar, it's probably illegal, but probably also not something that the courts would waste their time with.
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*Tim has been getting tired of the rehashed crap on this board lately and has been sitting with his finger over the delete button for about two weeks*
DJDon, It's illegal, and we don't care if you are only asking for informational purposes, we aren't going to tell you, so get over it and look it up for your self.
quote:Originally posted by Rockhawk: Last year I ran into a KJ in Providence, RI (at a large venue near the airport) who had established a practice of recording karaoke participants on a very simplistic and compact, "on-the-fly" style, mini-disc recording device. His concept was that if patrons brought-in their own personal PC mini-discs and then allowed him to record their performances, but did not charge for the service, then it was not considered "illegal" due to the fact that no monies changed hands and no profit was realized relative to performance and reproduction of copyrighted media intended specifically for strict personal use.
I briefly discussed this theory with him at one point during my visit to his show, and he assured me that the matter had been thoroughly investigated and was deemed legal under a specific set of circumstances, if followed to the letter. It has been a while since the aforementioned discussion took place, so I don't accurately remember all of the particulars he presented nor legal references quoted, however his argument and attendant rationale actually sounded reasonably convincing at the time, but I still remain cautious and unconvinced overall, having had time since then to think about it all in greater lucidity and detail.
I am curious as to whether anyone else has encountered similar practices and associated rationales for engaging in same....what say you?
I'm begining to think I'm the only real KJ in this area now....
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All though I can see how you would compare burning a cd to a nuclear bomb. I am sure they both cause equal damage. Is that what Iraq is doing? We shouldnt be wasting our time looking for bombs, we should be looking for cd burners. I dont understand how some of you come up with these analogys. --------------------------------------------------
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Personally the fact that it's against the law and that I stand to loose everything just to record someone singing at my shows just doesn't seem to be worth it.
Also when you post on a message board you're going to get both sides of the legality issue. Posting in here about this issue is about as unproductive move as one could make. Most of the people who are here run LEGIT to the letter of the law shows. So I don't blame them for jumping on a person right away. This is our lively hood. When people circumvent the rules and then undercut us, we're supposed to just let them do it. Whatever, yes there are ways and yes it can be done. You wanna know figure it out, but then maybe your not professional enough to figure it out on your own.
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Wow, I'm sorry I caused such a raucus. I too, run my shows COMPLETELY LEGAL, thank you. I can say with a clear conscience that another KJ in my area asked me if I knew anything about it, so I came here to inquire. Simple. I wouldn't consider doing something like that, but my curiousity certainly can get the best of me. It's no different that making a TAPE for someone at your show which, yes, has been debated to death and determined by the ****house lawyers that it IS illegal. Like I said, i was just looking for an answer to my question, not a whiny liberal bleeding heart debate! LOL Thanks for your input, all.
Oh, and is Tim D. the former L'Opera Voce? Been awhile since I've been here, and really miss picking on Tim.
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Hey Thanks EmWolb. I'm sure you've heard it before but not from me. That's a great name. Bet you get some chicks with you last name being the way it is LOL.
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quote:Originally posted by Tim D: *Tim has been getting tired of the rehashed crap on this board lately and has been sitting with his finger over the delete button for about two weeks*
DJDon, It's illegal, and we don't care if you are only asking for informational purposes, we aren't going to tell you, so get over it and look it up for your self.
Tim,
I still love ya babe. LOL ya whack job.
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Something I find rather ironic if not downright amusing is that a certain operator I know of has a link to the Sound Choice KJ List and openly advertises that they make recordings right on their website.
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Hi don. Many of us possess the knowledge but do not actually do it. It's kinda like...well...a lot of things 
