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I've been thinking about purchasing either the JVC or RSQ triple tray player...while shopping one day, a dealer told me that the only thing he hated about it was that you couldn't cue up other songs on the other trays while one was playing. While visiting another show, the host was using the same player, but he only used ONE tray, saying he "didn't know how to use the other trays". Hmmmm...anyone out there use one of these? Is this true? I currently use a first generation Pioneer dual tray and am wanting to upgrade without going to the newer Pioneer. I guess what I'm really wanting to know is does the JVC/RSQ work in the same fasion as the Pioneer?
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Daron, I'm going to pick one up today, so I'll let you know. It is my understanding they work exactly like the Pioneer double tray. That's currently what we use also. GaryC
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Posts: 426 | From: Oklahoma City, Ok | Registered: Jan 2000
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I have the JVC labeled version and you can insert and remove the other two disks while it it playing the third but if you can cue the songs ahead like on my pioneers I sure as hell cant figure out how to do it. I also have'nt figured out how to turn off the program display without the remote. It plays well and it cues quickly but I did like the pioneer better.
Posts: 64 | From: Saylorsburg, Pa USA | Registered: Sep 1999
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Maybe Debra can help. I remember her saying she used them one time on another forum. Help Debra.. GaryC
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I have 2 of these and I wouldn't give them up for anything else out there. As far as I know or can figure out, you can't cue up the next song, otherwise they work great. Display is only controlled by the remote. Just remember DON'T push the trays closed with your hand, use the button and they'll last a long time.
Posts: 41 | From: Illinois, USA | Registered: Mar 2000
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I think better than half the time to get a song going is the actual loading the disc and letting the machine pick up the table of contents. Even if you can't actually cue the start of the track, you can at least have the disc loaded. Then when the one song is finished, you hit the button for the next song, and 2 seconds later it's playing. Surely THAT can't be too much of a waste for you guys
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Well, the thing is, after having used my Pioneer for 4 years, I'm kinda spoiled at having the next song cued (in this case, selected) and ready to go...creature of habit, I guess. I could MOST likely get used to waiting for the song to end before cueing up the other song(s), it's just the "getting used to" period is gonna screw with me, ya know?
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You can't use the 3 trays and graphics will be garbled if you overlook setting a tiny little switch on the backs of these machine to suit US electrical current.
You can use the machines (which are the SAME machine with different lettering for the brands)just like the Pioneer twin trays. They are a delight to use. One thing to remember to put the mode back to neutral on which channel you want the machine to use (right or left). It is better on this function than the Pioneer.
I love the machine! Check for the tiny switch on the back of the machine and set it correctly, then you can use all 3 trays with ease, if you don't you can't get them to play. You have to use just ONE tray since voltage is set wrong.Tell your friend FIND THE TINY SWITCH ON THE BACK OF HIS MACHINE AND SET IT TO US CURRENT!
Many times you could get disc deals with these - if they are still out there DO NOT GO FOR THE MICROPHONE GIVE AWAY DEALS, get the discs! Surf the web for the deals on anything karaoke (Sound Choice is the same everywhere online but other things can very widely).
Posts: 542 | From: Mobile, Alabama, USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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I recieved an Esaver from karaoke.com that had just the player, no discs, for $299...THAT's what got me thinking about this machine. I paid almost $500 for my old Pioneer in 1996...BOY, does my B-hole hurt!! But, Debra, if what you're saying is, you can have a song playing in tray ONE, then open tray TWO, insert a disc and punch up the track #, then do the same with tray THREE, then THAT's what I'm looking for...but if you hafta wait until NO discs are playing to select the tracks, then I'll hafta give it more consideration...maybe another Pioneer or a Dual tray CD player with digital outs and a CDG decoder.
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Karawolf, As soon as you start one song playing, you could load up the other two trays for the next songs. Word of warning though, if you accidently hit the button on the tray that has the song playing, guess what happens..... then everyone will look at you like you're an idiot, lol. It takes a little practice before you get the hang of it.
Posts: 41 | From: Illinois, USA | Registered: Mar 2000
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Are ya talkin' 'bout the "premature ejection" that can still haunt ALL users of multi-tray players? Believe me, I've kicked out my fair share of "live" discs on the old twin tray!!
You can use the triple tray JUST like the Pioneer twin tray. Drawers operate independant of each other, as long a the correct current has been selected for the tiny switch on the back of the machine.
Once you have a drawer running head to any of the next 2 drawers to empty or load. I write the number of the drawer by the song selection.
I have hit or put the wrong one on. I make the crowd laugh and tell them... "OOPS I put the wrong drawers on, I change them so many times in the evening I for get which ones I have on!" or "SFB SYNDROME hits again, a common ailment for KJ's and everyone else. You know 'SOMETHING'For Brains Syndrome." ("Something" hits the fan).
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LoL!! Well, unlike the general populace of the masculine species, I have absolutely no aversions to manuals. Whenever I buy some new software or a new peice of hardware for my computer, I scour all information included with the product simply to minimize frustration when Murphy's Law takes effect.
However, access to product manuals are often limited prior to purchase, and so my research has recently been limited to simple queries to those who actually use the machine. Perhaps it was their aversion to manuals that lead to my recent misinformation.
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In defense of the manual readers. I for one am one, but the info on the switch is so minimized as to be overlooked EASILY!
Even Karaoke Warehouse's Forum had this come up and they were unaware of the cause of the problem. Like when I originally called the place I got mine from they thought its was a defect, but just before I sent it back for the place that ordered it for me to use, I found the switch.
(I love my twin trays, but if I had to buy another machine type the triple trays are great.) The owner of the triple tray who posted tried the switch and his machine is now working beautifully perfect today!
Posts: 542 | From: Mobile, Alabama, USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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Yes, gang...that PROGRAM button on both the player and the remote is very important- as is the little "graphics display" button on the remote. I enjoy my JVC, but am looking forward to installing my Denon 2200F to run...*drool drool* gimme twin tray feeds any time! Dead air is no longer an issue for me (now I can "yadda yadda yadda" over a music bed...)
Posts: 745 | From: Portland, OR, USA | Registered: Aug 2000
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I normally do read manuals however I purchased my deck through a third party who got 3 at a fantanstic price (under 200.00 and not refurbs) . The only downside was the box was in japanese only and so was the manual (I read english and german and my wife can add spanish but neither of us read japanese) I figured out I needed the remote for the display but couldn't figure out how to program the trays.
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Very interesting Karawolf, does anyone have the specs on that XLM-V55GD player? I've checked a few Karaoke sites and JVC's site and I can't find the specs. Is it identical to the 303 but with a wireless mic??
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DAMN I PAYED 400.00 BUCKS FOR THE THREE THAT I HAVE. BOY DID I GET .......CKED
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wow... 400... well, I bought mine about 6 months ago for about 249.... That seems to be where the prices seem to be via mail-order and internet places... The thing to look out for is what disc packages will they throw in as added incentives???
It looks to me like the only difference between the two units besides the gold color is the wireless mic...
I wonder what kind of quality it has ....
Posts: 575 | From: West Hartford, CT USA | Registered: Apr 2000
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That is the only difference, the color and the Useless piece of S--- mic it comes with. I gave my niece the mic to play KJ with. Nothing like a mic that has baby food all over it.
Posts: 41 | From: Illinois, USA | Registered: Mar 2000
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We started with a Pioneer twin-tray, and only went to a triple tray JVC when ours took a bad fall. After a couple of false starts, and 'premature ejection's, we found the display off key on the remote and have been rocking steady ever since. There is another company that puts out what looks like the same machine for about $50 less than JVC, but I don't figure it's enough to quibble over the money. The only trouble we've had recently is that if we're staticky...(yes, I made that Up!) the song will literally stop for a second when you touch the machine and get a zap! So watch out for that, but it's really reliable, and programs easily...G'luck!
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I still say having the v10 is the best and has been realible for the past 5 years,I have 2 machines in a case and it works great from 35 people to 650 at my biggest show.The only problem I see with having 3 trays is to add to your confusion doing busy shows.The 2 machines stacked works great and your always ready to go with the next singer.
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OK..here's the deal...once again, another local dealer informs me that this machine will only allow you to cue up songs when it's not playing...GaryC, did you ever get yours "mastered"? Is this true? Or is this simply another case of "manualphobia"?
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Hmmm...although I'm leary of products bearing the "VocoPro" logo, check this out http://www.vocopro.com/frm_prd.htm . Scroll down to the CDG 8000Pro. Anyone have any comments on a cdg player of this type?
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Karawolf RE: JVC33 if by cuing up you mean have the next song ready to play immediately when the first song is finished the answer is no you can not. You can program the other two trays while the first is playing (assuming you are in program mode) but there is a several second delay while the laser switches from disc 1 to disc 2
concerning some of the other posts: Using the small letters and numbers (black number on white background)that usually come with blank videotape I drasticly cut down on the number of times I mistakenly opened the drawer that was playing. I placed numbers on both the ejct buttons and the drawers themselves so there was no question as to which drawer I was closing. Use the OSD button on the remote (I hate remotes)On my machine I have to go to program mode first and then hit OSD 3 times to get the display to go away and stay away, otherwise if you let the programming lapse the display returns.The display will also show for about 3 seconds when you program in a new song.
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OK... being an owner of one of these, I rarely see anyone post correct information.
The JVC machine (three drawer) allows you to program up to 10 songs while any one is playing. This means you can program any drawer for any song while any drawer is playing. You can program them while a disc is playing or not... no difference. I routinely do this at my shows, and while any one drawer is playing, I am programming the other two.
Anyone who tells you different is completely misinformed.
Posts: 575 | From: West Hartford, CT USA | Registered: Apr 2000
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'ZACTLY what I wanted to hear! Thanks, Cliff! The JVC is back in the running! Much more affordable than the above mentioned VocoPro, even though the VP is a true dual drive unit, much like a Denon, American DJ, Gemini, etc...
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Hey Wolf, Sorry, I've been on vacation for a few days, just got back to town. I have got my JVC now and although it's a little different than the Pioneer, it works in much the same fashion. Cliff is absolutely correct, you can do just about anything you want to with it, once you've mastered the manual. I, am not the master of the manual, but have mastered the machine enough to make it work for me. About the only complaint I have with it is the laser eye is too perfect. It reads every scratch on my six year old Foundation and skips occasionally where the old Pioneer didn't. Just too precise and probably time to buy another Foundation.
GaryC
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Does anyone use or have used a JVC XL GM800? They discontinued the model a few years ago but I think it is the best and simplest player around. We have 11 of them.
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