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I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and he told me that he went to a show of another KJ the week before. He informed me that this KJ burns his own CDG's... Now I don't like this KJ one bit for the fact that about 3 years ago I helped him break into the business then he tried to get me out of some of the clubs I was in by trying to undercut me...
What I need to find out is who should I contact so he can get busted. I don't want to take $$$ away from anyone, but he is stealing and he needs to be punished.
Hope some other people here feel the same way.... I'm thinking about checking out one of his shows because he still talks to me like we are pals... So he will probably tell me himself that he is copying CDG's
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First you need to find out every show he does,times,days, addresses,zip codes, phone numbers, his name, company name. Then e-mail to dickf@soundchoice.com I'm sure he would be interested in any info you have. If you would like, you could just call soundchoice and let him get back with you,but it would probably be easier to e-mail him the info then let him take care of it.Peace Kev
Posts: 137 | From: MOORESVILLE ,IN. U.S.A | Registered: Oct 2000
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GO!!! Take 'em down ! Ya gotta play fair!! I had a similar question about a month ago...as soon as our show is fully operational again I plan to have the scabs "busted". Let me know how it goes with you.
btw: check out the "S.P.I.N. (reporting the scabs)" thread for aditional info that may be helpful.
Posts: 139 | From: Ottawa, ON, Canada | Registered: Oct 2000
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Quarter horse the filthy *******s and spit on thier graves!!!! I really need to get more sleep.
Posts: 110 | From: Santa Fe Springs Cal.cou | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by DanJ: The phone number is at www.spinorg.com
There are a LOT of other people out there that feel the same way. We spend our hard earned money and put it back into the business, they should have to spend thiers! All of us KJ's who built our library's legally and expensively and now you can be undercut by someone that steals thier music , really burns my a** ! Another thing that burs me is when they take discs like Star Disc and sell the older ones like SD 1 through 50 for 10 bucks and we all had to pay 24.99 and up for them. I don't think that the companies are thinking about the KJ's that started earlier and were faithfull to them and then they practically GIVE away the discs to newbee's. Maybe they just should slow down production of them and keep coming out with the new ones. Cut the old ones as need be from thier distributors. Posts: 13 | From: Prince Frederick, Maryland USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Don't you people have more important things to do? How many of you out there that dont have SC8125 would pay for a bootleg copy? What I hate is the KJ who buys the Foundation set, a cheap all in one sound system and then goes to the clubs and works cheap and/or makes just as much as the KJ who has $10,000 worth of music plus another $5,000 in sound system. I'm not advocating copying CDs I think the best thing to do is concentrate on the quality & content of your show rather then trying to be a tattle tale. As far as undercutting you thats what the free market system is all about. I don't think any KJ says to himself when he goes for a booking "Lets see I got $20,000 worth of gear, payment should be 1 percent of my investment" Thats unrealistic. Payment is determined by your crowd draw and the bar owner. I know KJ's who have 5 pages to the their song books, and use their home stereo & speakers and they are getting bookings! Now that bugs my arse more than any CDG burner could ever.
Can we all just get over it and come to the realization that CD burners are here to stay and theres always going to be a market for dishonest people?
Posts: 4 | From: Middletown, NJ USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Nikki, the problem with those SD1-50, is that they pretty much suck, and aren't worth more than 10 bucks. But, hey, that's just me. But, at the same time, so you get ****ed at all companies that drop their prices over time? I'm glad companies do that, or else all electronics would never be affordable. Sure, it sucks when I pay a couple hundred bucks for RAM, and it drops by half a month later. But at least, next time I buy RAM, it won't have grown in price. Just be glad some industries drop prices over time. There ain't many.
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Hey URNot2FNBad,Your 2FNStuckonyourself, This forum is for information to all of us who post here. Not just a select few. The negativity on some of these questions is stupid. People ask questions to get answers not smart azz remarks for asking them. If everyone would stop, then maybe more people would ask and reply to questions,instead of just reading what everyone is arguing about. I answered the question because I had some info about the subject. Further more NO I didn't have anything better to do at the time, or now for that matter. As for the 8125 disc, No I would NOT by a bootlegged copy because it's illegal..As for systems I've got about 15,000 in mine but,I haven't seen any home stereo systems out around here (not saying there's not)but I have heard a few that probably sound worse.
Posts: 137 | From: MOORESVILLE ,IN. U.S.A | Registered: Oct 2000
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While it burns my *ss to agree with the second coming of 2Bad, he is partially correct, "CD burners are here to stay and theres always going to be a market for dishonest people?". But I refuse to "get over it" Reporting the scabs/thieves is the only smart business decision in most cases. I, too think the best thing to do is concentrate on the quality & content of your show BUT, allowing these "prostiutes" to sell themselves cheap will cost me $$$ which, of course, makes it harder to improve my show. This is not a "tattle tale" situation. If we as legitamate KJs do nothing we degrade the entire industry.
That's just my opinion. I could be wrong Oh, btw: It was Pony...She let the Dog out
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Posts: 139 | From: Ottawa, ON, Canada | Registered: Oct 2000
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Pony, you are right it's not the point of just telling on someone. It gives us all a bad rep. before you know it we will all be getting checked up on at our shows, just because there is to many dishonest people in this world. If we can stop the ones we know of, we may slowly make a point that if you use copied disc's to do a show with. You will get caught,it's just a matter of time till someone see's that burnt disc in their hands and turns them in. I do not want to put anyone out of business but if I know your doing it I'm turning you in. I also was not trying to rip on Im2FNBad I was trying to make a point,that someone asked a question and we were just trying to help,then he came on and ripped at us for helping someone to try and turn someone else in for copied cdg's. If they can't buy legitimate cdg's then they need to get out of the business....Peace Kev
Posts: 137 | From: MOORESVILLE ,IN. U.S.A | Registered: Oct 2000
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Using stolen property I.E. pirated music, to undercut a competitor has absolutely nothing to do with a "free" market (although it resembles the mixed economy we use here in America).
Posts: 113 | From: Spokane, Wash/North Idaho | Registered: Feb 2000
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(frankly, if someone brought me a burnt disc to play in my venue, I would be sorely tempted* to snap it into pieces right before their eyes...after all, what are they gonna do? I mean, besides possibly drawing a gun..you know how pirates are...)
*note that I said "tempted to", not "I would just.."- there is a difference..
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Of course the K.J. who undercuts hurts all of us. Clubowners are notorious for paying as little as possible. When a K.J. who has not paid for their music goes in and works for as little as $25.00 a NIGHT (it's a fact, they've done it to me) when I was charging $40.00 an hour, do you think you will get them to pay you your price again anytime soon? NOT!! I know that some will say the difference will show itself soon and the better K.J. will triumph. Well I've been working nightclubs for over 30 years and I can tell you that club owners are the most shortsighted group of folks I know. I will not try to compete with these bottom feeders. In fact I have raised my rates and no longer work in a lot of the places I used to. If you wanna turn 'em in, go for it. They're breaking the law, bottom line.
Posts: 37 | From: So Cal | Registered: Sep 2000
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I agree, turn 'em in. I have lost numerous shows to undercutters who do crappy shows. Then when nobody shows up to sing, they blame "karaoke" and not who they hired, and they are usually unwilling to try someone who does a decent show.
I have caught wind of a person who is copying there entire library to start another show in my area. You can bet some action will be taken!
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Posts: 37 | From: Oshkosh, WI USA | Registered: May 1999
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You should turn the guy in by all means, but if they guy is using copies to protect his originals and nothing else, then that should be allowed. Over here in the UK, we are allowed to use mp3+graphics players, which store the discs and there is no difference between that and using backups.
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"We should get you on Mastermind. Sybil Fawlty from Torquay - specialist subject, the bleedin' obvious."
(Mastermind was a British quiz show where people answered questions on their chosen subject. It's a shame they don't make it anymore, because I reckon I'd be pretty good a 'the lyrics errors in Sunfly karaoke discs').
Bose
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I have recently seen a device advertised called the karaoke jukebox (I think)you use your pc and the software provided to convert your library (up to 12000 songs) to mp3 format and store them in its harddrive can you imagine not carrying around cds. but if you copy your library and only use it for one system is it illegle?
Bob
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Different minds are working out different points of view on that... new media + new technology = new headaches!
As I understand (Canadian) Law you are allowed to transfer to another format without license isues if it is for personal use only.(otherwise a reprodction license payment is required) For example I can legaly make cassettes for the car from CDs that I own, but technically I can only play one at a time. Of course I can't sell the tapes.
By this logic transfering/converting should be legal for personal use.
Practice with your computer - Work with your originals!
There has been discussion on this type of thing before (check the "Pirate" links in response to your other post), and as I'm sure you can appreciate discussing the copying of CD+Gs on a board owned and opperated by a CD+G maufacturer is frowned upon.
Christopher
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I have many discs that only have one or two songs on them that I like to sing. I have taken many of these songs and put them onto a single disc which makes it easier for me to take my favorite songs out with me at night. I can fit more than 80 good songs onto just 4 discs that I can fit in a jacket pocket instead of taking a book with 40 plus discs in it that could easily be stolen while I'm on satge singing. If you don't want people like me at your show, refusing to play my discs is a sure way to get me to stay away.
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BobbyNJ; I understand why you'd want to make a custom disc of tracks you legitimatley own...I used to do it too...until the law was explained to me. Now as a KJ, I will NOT play a copied Disc, for any reason! The risk is just too great.
I hope you as a fan/karaoke-holic can understand the KJ's point of view... It won't help you to sing the songs you like if your favorite KJ/Venue gets shut down.
Besides you can't sing 40 song in a single night; so why not just pick 3-5 discs that you really each time.
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When I visit other people karaoke shows, I have my double CD+G of all my favourite songs that I like to sing. Most shows don't have my obscure favourites so I take it around with me. I've yet to go to a karaoke where the KJ refuses to play it. I made that disc for personal use, I own all the original discs and the discs are labelled with my name and address, so if the pub happened to get raided (oh look, there's a flying pig) then I would step in and tell them that was my disc and I would get a slap on the wrist at the most. That is fair use of my discs, and so I am entitled to do that.
Bose
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Personally, I have nothing against those who copy to protect their originals, however, when this is the case, I feel that the originals should be close by to prove that they are not in use at another venue.
I've seen too many "large" karaoke companies in my area who buy for one system and then copy those discs to 5-10 other systems and claim that it's for "backup" purposes.
I also do DJ work, I've recently adopted the use of a professional software program (AtomixMP3) for use at DJ shows. However, I still carry all my CD cases with, sometimes I bring them in, sometimes I leave them in the van. The point is, every song on that computer is directly ripped from every CD in those cases and they're always with me to prove that they are not in use elsewhere. (And also to provide a fallback in case of computer problems. We all know how dependable Microsoft is.)
I've thought about copying some of my CD+G discs down to mix cd's that are more portable, but I just use 5-6 6-packs to carry with me, and if the show doesn't have an old JVC 6-pack player, I prefer not to use my discs. I've already had one ruined by a KJ who didn't know how to handle discs properly, but he wound up paying for that. (He dropped the disk and then used his shirt to wipe it off and ground in some dirt that was on the floor.)
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For whatever value it may have, I thought I'd share this. While at the MB/DJ conference in Vegas last year, I inquired at the Sound Choice booth and another supplier of CD-Gs, (whose name I omit out of respect for the host of this board) as to might might happen if I were to play copied discs at my show. The response was the same. Basically I was told that if it was a singers disc, and they were just using it for their own use that it would probably be OK and I probably would'nt get into trouble for doing so. I then asked "Could I get that in writing?" and got a unanimous "NO". So I guess it's your call as to play or not to play a customers copied disc. So many grey areas. Too little grey matter. Be well all. JimboDJ
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