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Tom Patrick
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I need the printed lyrics sheets for the
Foundation brick of songs... digital or hard copy.
Will pay a small fee...
PLMK
Thanks!
Tom@SF
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printed lyric sheets? for cd+g's????


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Tom Patrick
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>>> printed lyric sheets? for cd+g's????<<<

Sure sometimes you have to do "Kamakazie Karaoke"
as there is no monitor. Some folks prefer to have a printed
lyric book in front of them.

Sounds like there's a nitch for someone... I'll be SC or some
young entrepreneur to offer such a service!

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Well, I don't think a lyric book is part of the standard foundation package, so what you are asking is for someone to transcribe 450 songs worth of lyrics for you... not exactly an easy task.
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In fact, I'm POSITIVE there are no lyric sheets (it says so on THIS website). The "G" part of CD+G is meant to eliminate the need for printed lyrics. I suppose if you were truly in need of sheets, the best way would be to obtain a listing of the 450 songs and search the web on various lyric sites to get what you need (for free I might add).

I don't know, it may just be my suspicious nature, but why in the world would you invest in a Foundation Package and not have a monitor or TV to display the lyrics on? A $900 set is only useful if you have the proper equipment to use it... I'm sensing an alterior motive here somewhere.....


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Well, you wouldn't necessarily have to "transcribe" the songs...

Just play them all on a CDG player, hit pause at each screenful, and type in what you see! That's what I do for most of my songs that I'm working on singing. I want to know exactly what's going to show up on the screen and how the pages get refreshed.

But, I'm thinking if you only LISTENED to 450 songs (without typing), it would take you over 26 hours (at 3.5 minutes per song). Now, I type about 120 WPM... so, I'd be willing to do it, but it would end up costing you over $1000. Personally, I don't think it would be worth the investment.

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Grateful: isn't the process of typing what you see on the screen called "transcribing"?

I agree that this represents and enormous amount of work if you did it that way. However, as I mentioned, there are several lyric collection sites that could provide the original lyrics to the songs in the package. It still would require a bit of time, but not nearly as labor intensive.


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Hi,
Thanks for the great interchange... No motive just a newbie
trying to get started and practicing. Just got the Foundation
with a JVC Player for $749!! And yes I will be having a video
monitor as you suggested. But many times, like at an outdoor
party, there's not enough juice for all that video crap.

See I was in the "business of Karaoke" when you were a gleam
in your daddy's eye! Back in the old days we just had a great sound
system with a nice music stand and the lyric book for folks to sing from...
we'd also print up smaller Lyric books for folks to learn the songs and would
also encourage them to buy the tape or CD so they can sing along at home.
AND we marched thru piles of high snow in our bare feet... and we LIKED it! ;-)
We got along fine without video and IMHO half of the wipes are inaccurate anyway.

Sooooo I find it hard to believe that some enterprizing KJ or SC itself would not offer
a set of printed lyric sheets for a small fee ($100)? That or a web site with all of them...
Anyway if I don't find someone I'll do it myself and then just give it away, at cost,
to anyone who wants a set.

I went with Sound Choice, even knowing that they didn't include printed lyrics.
Good production values.

.02

Tom Patrick
San Fran


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TOM:
Power Generators Today (Not Sure About
The Old Days)Can Power "All That Video
Crap".TRY LYRICS.COM!

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If such a thing existed in any format, I'd be happy to send it along. As the case stands, do what PHASEIV suggests and look for each song on Lyrics.com You should get all of what you are looking for. $100 for a minimum of 26 hours work is really a cheap offer, so I know Grateful won't be transcribing anytime soon

Good luck!


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I remember the days when karaoke was all by tape and lyric books...take it from me, it is a lot harder to sing songs that way. If ya got the hardware and software to use your Foundation the way it was intended, then do it. I've done shows outdoors and I never needed any special power to run a tv.

While, in the same token, I have seen some people not have a clue as to why the words were changing color when they did, and put down the microphone during a musical break because they thought the song was over - most people get it, and it is a lot easier - especially with Sound Choice products. They cue you when to start, tell you there's a musical break and put up credits and a banner to let you know the song is over.


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Understood... and agree with most of that.
Except the outdoor part... noisy generators? Yuk.

At any rate you points are well taken... I and others I've spoke
with still would like to have the OPTION to read the lyrics in printed form
both before signing and while.

Anyway I'm doing it myself... just can't believe that someone doesn't
have a small book of the printed lyrics. And it won't take 26 hours either...
but it will take 8-10. Great lyrics sites out there now... can remember a time
when we had to listen to the record or look at the liner sleeve!

Thanks for your thoughts

Tom@ San Fran


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Well, good luck in your efforts... as a KJ who also has a full time day job, there is no way I have the time to collect all the lyrics to all my songs... nor do I perceive the need in my shows. But... if it gets ya where ya need to be... more power to ya!
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Tom MOST generators today are very quiet and you can hardly hear them running..

Rebecca, you are right about being harder to sing with tapes as I use to do that back in the 80's as well...but maybe it wasn't harder but that we just became lazy.

For example, when you use to sing with tapes Rebecca, or anyone else, how many songs did you sing by memory???? without lyrics in front of you?? I believe I knew around 200 songs without them...now HA! if I don't at least stare down at the screen now and again I'd go crazy! LOL How many songs do I know now??? I couldn't honestly tell you..not with the monitor next to me...

Maybe I'm just lazy LOL!


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I agree it would be nice to read the lyrics before my songs come up. Nowadays, right before I get on stage I retrieve the lyrics off the internet using my laptop and a cell phone to study. I am kidding, you know. Seriously, I do bring the lyric sheets along for new songs that I'm working on in order to refresh my memory before I get up on stage, especially if they're fast songs.

Anyway, 8 to 10 hours to find 450 lyrics on the internet would be about finding each song on average within 60 to 90 seconds.

It's possible. But I can guarantee you that most of them will be inaccurate and incomplete, and some will next to impossible to find... some may take 20 minutes to find, if you can find them at all.

For my own CDG songbook, I have the "first words" next to each song number. I think that's about as far as I'd be willing to go. If each song was, for example, two pages long... the lyrics for the Foundation alone would be 900 pages, not to mention more heavy stuff to carry to a show.

For me to "transcribe" directly from a CDG into a word processor (by process of playing the CDG, pausing, typing, playing, etc), it would about 5 minutes per song. About 3.5 minutes of just having the song play, and an additional 1.5 minutes to type it up and press pause if needed. Thus, it would be at least 37 hours for me to do it all manually. But, in the end they'd be perfect, word for word.

For the entrepreneurial KJ: It's possible to have all the CDG on-screen lyrics in a laptop. When someone comes up to put in a song request, you can offer the service of printing out a lyric sheet for them to study beforehand (and take home if they want to)... for a nominal fee.

One of my ideas, that somewhat quickly flopped, was to generate a lyric songbook of all songs by an artist (such as AC/DC!). Then, I'd go to the band's concerts and sell them in the parking lot in a nice comb-bound package, for like $5 to $10. Uh, then I realized it would probably be illegal... and with the internet boom, don't think I'd sell as many as I could in the old days.

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You are right... it'll take some time.
And I have some already done (say 30%) sooooo....

Still I'd be willing to pay for a book like that from SC... say $99?

I love the idea of having it all on a laptop and being able to give
folks a printed sheet to take home.

Do most KJ's also sell tapes/CD for the folks to practice at home?

Thanks

Tom


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I've never seen a KJ ever have a tape or CD of the original artist for sale. But, you will find them selling "blank tapes" which they will record your song for you while you're on stage. I've found that it's usually around $3.00 - but many places let you record 3 or 4 songs for that. I don't think it's legal, but oh well.

There's also a place in Southern California that automatically gives you a tape for free after you sing (one tape per each song)... you know, those 10-minute cheapo tapes. The problem is, you can only sing one song per night due to the number of singers.

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Both of those things are illegal... I don't know if it would be legal to sell "just" the lyrics without a license to do so... and we don't have to go into the recording issue, it's been beat quite to death around here

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Oh yes for sure... but I know SC could do it and I bet
the ASCAP/BMI fee would not be too much...

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Well, if you're worried about "juice" (I know that problem), you could try to run the CD+G's on a laptop... or buy a portable CD+G player and wait for the first portable flat-screen TV's to appear...
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