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D. Hartley Junior Member Posts: 8 |
As I stated in another forum about not being able to play the new Sound Choice disks in my Pioneer 55 player.My question is why doesn't Sound choice make DVD compatable disks.If cost is the issue then what about the 25 percent of households that have DVD players.For 30 to 40 dollars they can add mike inputs and be bugging there neighbours. I have come across EMI Dvd disks that are the original artist video and is also karaoke.I Relize that Sound Choice is losing money to copying, But with DVD having such a big market share, DVD's are not something that Sound Choice can ignore. As you have done for your cdg copyguard you could also have a copyguard for DVD.I'm Just asking Sound Choice to consider making disks dvd compatible or a DVD line so I can enjoy the best karaoke on the market.I am not a KJ and have a DVD player for home use. IP: Logged |
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D. Hartley Junior Member Posts: 8 |
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BC/Studio Manager Administrator Posts: 2589 |
Sound Choice and Sunncomm are actively looking into a DVD compatible version of Sunncomm's copy protection. We're hopeful that we can bring this to our discs quickly. Cost isn't the issue - security is the issue. DVD compatibility without security is pointless. We'll get it out just as soon as it's secure. As far as overall DVD, even the admittedly optimistic guess-timates of the marketing arms of the electronics industry only claim 10 million DVD players sold in the retail pipeline in North America. I'm sure they would love to have your information about 1 in every 4 American households - But you're correct that, eventually, there will be DVD players with full karaoke capability; or at least add-on boxes that outfit a DVD player with the necessary equipment to make them karaoke machines. It's already happening in the Far East. IP: Logged |
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DJFang Member Posts: 167 |
Actually according to the latest VideoScan numbers there has been 21,468,884 players sold since 3/97. This does not include all of the PS2s and DVD-Roms that have also been sold. I think DVD Karoake could be a viable seller, but not in the professional market at this time. It would definietly need to be geared towards the home user and sold in national chains, but I'm sure you guys know all that. ![]() -Eric IP: Logged |
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bagowans Junior Member Posts: 2 |
Based on my retailers recommendation I also purchased a Pioneer DV555 last year for home use and have become a loyal SC customer. To my recent surprise, SC products no longer work on my machine. I can't understand how SC could make a decision that has made my setup obsolete. When will this problem be addressed? This was a very poor customer service move. IP: Logged |
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DanJ Member Posts: 1500 |
Bagowans, I'm in the same boat as you. BC indicated in his post above that Sound Choice, and SunnComm are working on the problem. Since you're new, I'll assume you haven't read the recent threads on this issue. SunnComm has produced a software package that prevents a CD from being copied. Unfortunately, a side effect is that these discs can't be played on a DVD-compatible player, such as the Pioneer 555, or 888. There is also an issue of playability on many higher end CD players that have Optical Outputs, and many car CD players. I know it sucks that the new discs can't be played on our machines, but we just have to take Sound Choice at their word that they are working on it. IP: Logged |
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BC/Studio Manager Administrator Posts: 2589 |
I understand that there are some folks on here that are new to the whole issue, so there are a couple threads below if you want to catch up in detail about it. But, just to clarify a few things: There are about 1000 – one thousand – individual Sound Choice CDGs that do not have MediaCloQ copy protection. So, if your choice is to not purchase Sound Choice products, that choice is certainly not only due to copy protection – unless you’re only interested in releases since August/01. There are hundreds of discs and thousands of songs that are not affected one bit by MediaCloQ. As I’ve said in various threads (see below), it isn’t in our best interests to limit the customer player options for our products. Nobody disputes that, it’s common sense. Nonetheless, it’s also common sense to choose the lesser of two evils. Here’s a graphic example (and I’m not comparing karaoke to life and death, so please…): If the doctor gives the options of choosing between living for five years or maybe more if he removes one of your lungs next week, or keeping both your lungs and dying in six months to a year – what does your common sense tell you to do? We lose less money by having the copy protection and no DVD compatibility, than we do by having no copy protection. That’s what our decision boiled down to.
This is pretty much the negative viewpoint of the issue, with some expository information on the what and the why of the issue/s. http://www.soundchoice.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000818.html Within this thread there are a couple posts that touch on tangenital issues and background.
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D. Hartley Junior Member Posts: 8 |
I am patiently waiting for news that Sound Choice will release DVD compatable disks.I'd like to add a couple of things though.Most retail non karaoke specialty shops only carry DVD karaoke machines and not cdg machines.General Electric,Apex,Pioneer even has one that is not cdg to name a few.Maybe after Sound Choice resolves the copyguard issue with DVD's,they could sell a DVD pak that would include mic inputs such as the 30 or 40 dollar one that pioneer has,And sell it at the retail electronic shops.By doing this it would increase more people singing karaoke at the home level.I'm sure that if you included something like the mic inputs free(Sound Choices cost probibly about $20) It would create many more loyal Sound Choice customers as they would remember the free gift that they recieved to be able to sing karaoke.Just a thought IP: Logged |
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bose Member Posts: 312 |
Surely the answer to this problem is simple. Just buy a cheap bottom of the range CD+G player and sit it next to your existing equipment. I know in the UK that there are some very basic CD+G players for 75 quid, which works out at about $100. Before you buy the player, ask them if you can test a new Sound Choice disc on it, to see if it plays okay. If it does, then the problem is solved for a few bucks. Bose IP: Logged |
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Mark Cheetah Member Posts: 655 |
Why is it that professional CDG players and CDGs (such as Spotlights) are not marketed toward the home consumer? When you look in retail outlets, all you see is DVD players, multiplex discs, and "kiddie packs." Until I got the internet, I had no available source to purchase my karaoke gear, including my Pioneer V10-G. There are no specialty shops in my area. I'm a home consumer with professional equipment and I love it all. I would never think of using a DVD player. IP: Logged |
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DanJ Member Posts: 1500 |
Bose, I know it sounds simple enough. Even BC suggested in an earlier thread that KJ's who don't like the fact these new discs don't play on a Pioneer 555, or 888 can just go out and buy an RSQ player. Easy enough for people to say when it isn't their money. Maybe Sound Choice should buy everyone with a Pioneer player an RSQ player, and we'll continue to buy their discs. LOL But, I don't know too many KJ's, who really want to lug around an extra piece of equipment, that they only need to play new Sound Choice discs. Likewise, for me as a home user. I used to have a Laserdisc machine, and a separate CDG player (the old BMB Ninja) that I added later. It was a hassle with audio and video switches, and wires all over the place, and having to switch the mics back and forth. Not to mention the Ninja was a pain to put somewhere with it's top loading tray. Then I traded those 2 machines, plus my small collection of Pioneer LD's, and got my Pioneer 555. Perfect machine for what I needed. I could still play my CDG's, it plays my audio CD's, I have a single VCD, and now I was able to rent DVD movies. And if DVD Karaoke should happen to take off, I was prepared for that. I still get use out of my SC 100 song DVD a year after getting it. It only takes up one shelf on my custom built entertainment centre, and only one set of wires. I used to make jokes on here about how I would buy discs, and get them into my book before my wife noticed. I can just see me trying to convince her that extra karaoke machine sitting there has always been there.LOL IP: Logged |
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BC/Studio Manager Administrator Posts: 2589 |
Not sure I understand how anyone can logically conclude that a CDG player - the standard for the medium - is "an extra piece of equipment" for a professional KJ. A baseball player doesn't come to the stadium without his glove. For those whose position requires a specialty glove - first base or catcher - those players acquire a glove for the position. If you want to play DVD discs, by all means get a DVD player. If you want to play CDG discs, make sure you have a CDG player. Hopefully, we'll develop a solution. Until then, constantly going back and forth about the same things, the same words in a different post, is not going to change anything. The decision was made, and we're going to live with it. Nothing said here or anywhere else is going to change history. Like I said, most of our customers are not even aware that there is copy protection on our discs. IP: Logged |
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